[eagles123]

It happened tonight a lot: declarer playing out a contract in the hope of some ridiculous defensive error when a claim of minus one or equals or whatever at trick one would be much more appropriate!!

Ps forgive me for bad mood 45 percent session oh dear

[Zelandakh]

I have made many an impossible contract through ridiculous defensive errors, Roland.

[neilkaz]

You play in a club where people commonly claim at trick 1?

[eagles123]

I don't mean trick 1 nessecarily, I mean like they expect you to discard the Ace of the suit declarer has bid 5 times or something

just seems so disrespectful

[Jinksy]

My view is at IMPs for undoubled overtricks or undertricks, this is pretty annoying, otherwise I'll put up with it.

[dwar0123]

eagles123, on 2015-January-05, 18:39, said:

I don't mean trick 1 nessecarily, I mean like they expect you to discard the Ace of the suit declarer has bid 5 times or something

just seems so disrespectful

Why does it bother you, people are allowed not to claim, 99* times out of a 100 when an opponent isn't claiming it is because they don't see the claim or they are reluctant to try and explain it, either because they suspect the opponent won't see it easily (probably not in your case!) or because they might trip up the explanation and some people exploit that.

The 1 time out of a 100 when you might be right, no disrespect, but you're not a mind reader, you don't know why they are not claiming.

*These numbers are made up.

[jillybean]

eagles123, on 2015-January-05, 18:39, said:

I don't mean trick 1 nessecarily, I mean like they expect you to discard the Ace of the suit declarer has bid 5 times or something

just seems so disrespectful

I would expect it is more from inexperience than disrespect, unless they only play hands out with you.

[aguahombre]

The frustration occurs when I claim, "I have 5 spades, 4 clubs, 3 Diamonds and one heart." They then ask how I am getting rid of my other heart. It doesn't help to tell them that after I take my 13 tricks they can have all the rest.

[manudude03]

There have been quite a few times I've claimed with say 5 tricks left crossruffing with the AKQJT, and the opponents complain that they still have trumps.

[Jinksy]

aguahombre, on 2015-January-05, 19:29, said:

The frustration occurs when I claim, "I have 5 spades, 4 clubs, 3 Diamonds and one heart." They then ask how I am getting rid of my other heart. It doesn't help to tell them that after I take my 13 tricks they can have all the rest.

The most obnoxious opponent I've ever met at the bridge table complained something about this. She wasn't worried about 'getting rid of' cards, but was adamant that P had no right to claim without knowing where the K♣ was. My P patiently explained that the card was completely irrelevant to the hand (which pissed her off enough that she later started making underhanded remarks about his not having showered). Claiming, we were told, was never ok unless you knew where all the cards were.

A couple of boards later she (correctly) claimed the rest of the tricks. We decided not to enquire about the ♦2.

[aguahombre]

I guess the exception would be the Diamond 7.

[blackshoe]

eagles123, on 2015-January-05, 17:20, said:

It happened tonight a lot: declarer playing out a contract in the hope of some ridiculous defensive error when a claim of minus one or equals or whatever at trick one would be much more appropriate!!

Ps forgive me for bad mood 45 percent session oh dear

My partner and I had a 32% session, so you're ahead.

[Cthulhu D]

blackshoe, on 2015-January-05, 20:56, said:

My partner and I had a 32% session, so you're ahead.

I have turned in -120 imps in 28 ximp boards (:(:() and 36%, so I think you've gotten me beat.

[the hog]

While I totally sympathise with some of these comments, some claims should not be made on line unless you know the opps. I recently claimed

AKTxx opposite Q9xx making the comment "Claiming on the marked safety play". The "expert" opponent who held Jxxx refused the claim. Much easier just to cash the A.

[whereagles]

eagles123, on 2015-January-05, 18:39, said:

I don't mean trick 1 nessecarily, I mean like they expect you to discard the Ace of the suit declarer has bid 5 times or something

just seems so disrespectful

If proved, that would be frivolous play. It is indeed ethically reproachable, and the Director can issue a warning.

[whereagles]

the hog, on 2015-January-05, 22:00, said:

While I totally sympathise with some of these comments, some claims should not be made on line unless you know the opps. I recently claimed

AKTxx opposite Q9xx making the comment "Claiming on the marked safety play". The "expert" opponent who held Jxxx refused the claim. Much easier just to cash the A.

Indeed. Online, claiming before it's totally obvious will only make you take like 3x longer to complete the hand

[Mbodell]

I don't mean disrespect to people, but if there is time still left (I.e., no time pressure), especially at matchpoints, I'll often play out a silly defensive problem that opponents can't get wrong if they remember the details of the hand and play correctly. This is because in my experience, even people who I respect can lose focus and blunder and I've been surprised by how often I've gotten extra tricks from this. And occasionally, I'm the one who's blundered and I think it is clear but I've missed something and it wasn't as clear or my claim wouldn't have been good. Things like a pseudo squeezes where if I had suit A I could have cross ruffed the hand so I must have suit B left, but defender pitches the top B to keep the top A card. Or even I've ruffed early in A, and one defender guards A and B, and still pitches B to keep the A guard.

[whereagles]

One thing is hoping for a defensive error that might lead to a squeeze or throw-in. Overthinking straightforward hands for the sake of boring opponents is another one completely different. And sanctioned by the laws.

[Cthulhu D]

Isn't there a game theory reason to play out all hands (unless it is impossible for opponents to make a defensive error). If oppo knows you wait until late in the hand to claim they might not pay attention to complex hands until it is too late. If you claim aggressively, oppo knows that if you don't claim they need to pay attention.

[TMorris]

I once got told off for not claiming when I had the rest (I had lost concentration and didn't realise they had no more tricks to cash). The complainer told me it was against the Laws