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Posted 2015-January-03, 10:44
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Posted 2015-January-03, 11:42
Double then ♠. Need very little from partner for 6 to have play.
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Posted 2015-January-03, 12:26
I agree that you need little to make 6♠. Furthermore, it is virtually impossible for you to find out if partner has it. So I would just punt 6♠.
Second choice would be 5♠, but, again, it is impossible for partner to know what cards you need to make 6.
Double risks playing in 4♦x.
Second choice would be 5♠, but, again, it is impossible for partner to know what cards you need to make 6.
Double risks playing in 4♦x.
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Posted 2015-January-04, 02:20
I do t like the x and dont really see how it helps if pd bids 4h. Two options, 4s or 6. I guess 6.
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Posted 2015-January-04, 04:22
4 ♠ for me. I can't be joking R/W
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Posted 2015-January-04, 14:39
I think double then spades is better. I doubt partner will pass our double after this start. I believe 5♦ and then Spades would show a better hand and probably seem like a Majors two-suiter.
6♠ right away seems like the macho-man choice. If I don't trust my partner or don't want anything resembling scientific bidding, I'd choose that.
Finally, I'd be afraid of playing just 4♠ if I bid that. It's true, being red vs white it should be a good hand but how often will partner continue (with a hand that would pass the double, for example)?
6♠ right away seems like the macho-man choice. If I don't trust my partner or don't want anything resembling scientific bidding, I'd choose that.
Finally, I'd be afraid of playing just 4♠ if I bid that. It's true, being red vs white it should be a good hand but how often will partner continue (with a hand that would pass the double, for example)?
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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.
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Posted 2015-January-04, 17:48
This is the 21st Century. Double then 4♠ shows a flexible hand, not a slam try.
I'd bid 4♠, but if I wanted to take stronger action I'd bid 5♠, which sows a hand that is better than 4♠ and not good enough for 6♠.
The problem with any slam try is that partner won't know what we need, but just bidding slam is playing him for a lot of good cards..
I'd bid 4♠, but if I wanted to take stronger action I'd bid 5♠, which sows a hand that is better than 4♠ and not good enough for 6♠.
The problem with any slam try is that partner won't know what we need, but just bidding slam is playing him for a lot of good cards..
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2015-January-04, 17:57
Maybe double followed by 5♠ (over 4♥) is the way to go if we aim high - that will get us to 6♠ or 6♣ when it's right.
I think it's pretty close between that and a direct 4♠.
I think it's pretty close between that and a direct 4♠.
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Posted 2015-January-04, 18:02
I like double then 5S, once in awhile partner will be a champ and bid 6C for us. Second choice is to just bid 4S, which is pretty reasonable IMO. I think doubling and then bidding 4S shows a willingness to play hearts.
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Posted 2015-January-04, 18:48
4♠. Don't complicate what is simple.
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Posted 2015-January-04, 18:58
whereagles, on 2015-January-04, 18:48, said:
4♠. Don't complicate what is simple.
And what's so simple about this?
As it turned out, partner had ♠Tx ♥AQxxxx ♦xx ♣Kxx and still did not dare to bid the slam even though I bid double-then-4♠. (I agree that double-then-4♠ should actually show a different hand type, but I had the additional information that Partner is still on chapter 1 of "Partnership Bidding at Bridge".)
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Posted 2015-January-04, 20:25
PhilKing, on 2015-January-04, 17:57, said:
Maybe double followed by 5♠ (over 4♥) is the way to go if we aim high - that will get us to 6♠ or 6♣ when it's right.
I think it's pretty close between that and a direct 4♠.
I think it's pretty close between that and a direct 4♠.
Yes, on reflection, X followed by 5S is far better than a direct 6S.
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Posted 2015-January-04, 23:34
mgoetze, on 2015-January-03, 10:44, said:
You might try something different with agreed meanings for
- Jump to 5♠ -- Solid ♠ need outside help?
- Double then 4♠ -- This hand?
- Double then 5♠ -- Ask for ♦ control?
- 4N then 5♠ - Two places to play?
- 5♦ then 5♠ - Ask for help in ♠?
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Posted 2015-January-05, 16:30
mgoetze, on 2015-January-04, 18:58, said:
And what's so simple about this?
As it turned out, partner had ♠Tx ♥AQxxxx ♦xx ♣Kxx and still did not dare to bid the slam even though I bid double-then-4♠. (I agree that double-then-4♠ should actually show a different hand type, but I had the additional information that Partner is still on chapter 1 of "Partnership Bidding at Bridge".)
As it turned out, partner had ♠Tx ♥AQxxxx ♦xx ♣Kxx and still did not dare to bid the slam even though I bid double-then-4♠. (I agree that double-then-4♠ should actually show a different hand type, but I had the additional information that Partner is still on chapter 1 of "Partnership Bidding at Bridge".)
FWIW I changed my mind to 4S and think this is not so close after all, we just need a little bit too much IMO to be driving to the 5 level and inviting 6.
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Posted 2015-January-05, 18:15
mgoetze, on 2015-January-04, 18:58, said:
And what's so simple about this?
It's simple because you have an easy bid. The fact you have a slam on and missed it is the reason people preempt.
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Posted 2015-January-07, 09:31
mgoetze, on 2015-January-04, 18:58, said:
And what's so simple about this?
As it turned out, partner had ♠Tx ♥AQxxxx ♦xx ♣Kxx and still did not dare to bid the slam even though I bid double-then-4♠. (I agree that double-then-4♠ should actually show a different hand type, but I had the additional information that Partner is still on chapter 1 of "Partnership Bidding at Bridge".)
As it turned out, partner had ♠Tx ♥AQxxxx ♦xx ♣Kxx and still did not dare to bid the slam even though I bid double-then-4♠. (I agree that double-then-4♠ should actually show a different hand type, but I had the additional information that Partner is still on chapter 1 of "Partnership Bidding at Bridge".)
Looking at the table of contents of "Partnership Bidding at Bridge". Can't find what R/S does when they put the pressure on us.
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Posted 2015-January-07, 19:19
jogs, on 2015-January-07, 09:31, said:
Looking at the table of contents of "Partnership Bidding at Bridge". Can't find what R/S does when they put the pressure on us.
Chapter 5.
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Posted 2015-January-08, 03:53
I can't imagine even thinking of double. Although unlikely partner might pass. I have S and lots of them and now is the time to let partner know about them. If partner has a good hand maybe they will raise, and they will need some nice things for you to make 6.
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Posted 2015-January-08, 09:01
mgoetze, on 2015-January-07, 19:19, said:
Chapter 5.
Just scanned chap 5. Mostly 3 level decisions.
Didn't see 4/5 level decisions.
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