[jillybean]

helene_t, on 2014-December-25, 07:13, said:

I don't think so. First priority is to find a fit, once you have found it you can make control bids or ask for keycards etc.

I think we are already too high to find and fit and then ask for keycards. I'm not suggesting it should be a bid in this auction but if you have a self sufficient suit, 5♠ must be exclusion, what else could it be?

[Jinksy]

Well, I'll join those being lolled at. I can't see any good reason not to bid 4N with the S hand, though I don't think I'd find the slam even if he did.

If you do and N gets to bid the suit first, it's a great slam. (in practice, I suspect N would either bid 5N if he was feeling ambitious, forcing his P to pick the suit, or more likely 5♦, getting corrected to 5♥ - no dice either way)

[Phil]

I would bid 4N. I'd also pass a double since it's unrealistic to expect a 55+ void across.

[Phil]

Dbl post c

[Trump Echo]

My regular partner wants to play for penalty, so I would pass.

[MrAce]

Trump Echo, on 2014-December-26, 09:09, said:

My regular partner wants to play for penalty, so I would pass.

If you are a paid pro player and signed a contract to play with this pd, then disregard. But if not.....why are you doing this to yourself brother?