[wank]

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imps

doesn't seem like a tricky problem to me, but a superior player made a different call to the one i would have chosen and got a bad result. call this a resulting check.

[WesleyC]

2S and 3D both seem reasonable. The main deciding factor would be partners style for this sequence, but I would also be more likely to stretch against weaker opponents.

[the hog]

2S. 3D shows more values.

[PhantomSac]

2S I am not searching for a game opposite a passed hand that bid 2H. Seems obvious enough to me even though game might make.

[benlessard]

I like to play a style where a PH bidding 2H always show a S tolerance.

There is no hand unable to open 1H or 2H on round 1 that are good enough to make a PH 2/1 with a stiff spade.

[Cascade]

2♠ not close to 3♦ opposite a passed hand. Partner will raise with a fit. Without a fit only 5♦ could be missed and partner might still have a second bid, 2NT or 3♦ (perhaps).

[Cyberyeti]

benlessard, on 2014-August-30, 00:30, said:

I like to play a style where a PH bidding 2H always show a S tolerance.

There is no hand unable to open 1H or 2H on round 1 that are good enough to make a PH 2/1 with a stiff spade.

Not sure what I'd do with x, 98765432, J, AKx, doesn't sound like a happy second in hand vul preempt or a nonforcing notrump and wouldn't open 1 playing American methods, but does have enough to sometimes make 6 opposite a 5332 with 2 aces.

[whereagles]

dbl post pwnage

[whereagles]

2♠ is better.. 3♦ jumps you into what can easily be a hopeless game.

[dake50]

I like to play a style where a PH bidding 2H always show a S tolerance.

There is no hand unable to open 1H or 2H on round 1 that are good enough to make a PH 2/1 with a stiff spade. -- benlessard

*** Continue. There is no 3D bid that doesn't tolerate Hearts from a passed partner. Sways me to 3D.

[wanoff]

3♦
Didn't open a weak 2 so probably has a fit for one of my suits.

[gszes]

The lighter the partnership opening bids the more tempted I am to pass
what is starting to look like a misfit with around 20 hcp max. If p usually
has sound values to open at 1 level I will rebid 2s which at least gets the
idea of my best (and probably most successful) feature across.

With almost any of the posters here I would pass.

[whereagles]

>>> The lighter the partnership opening bids the more tempted I am to pass

Right. But pard didn't open a weak 2. Spades surely must play better than hearts?

[gszes]

whereagles, on 2014-August-31, 13:10, said:

>>> The lighter the partnership opening bids the more tempted I am to pass

Right. But pard didn't open a weak 2. Spades surely must play better than hearts?

spades will probably play better than hearts (though if playing something useful like drury the odds are
reduced a fair amount). The real downside of 2s is that our chances of actually playing there are slim
in a hand that look bad from the start. I have no qualms playing in a slightly inferior contract at a lower
and safer level especially since we do not know how high a 2s bid might get us. P not opening a weak 2 can
also merely be a matter of suit quality being insufficient for the vulnerability and our stiff K will go
a long way toward helping eliminate heart losers.

I see many 2s bidders are confident they are going to play there because in their mind they are not looking
for game but those passed partners also heard their p not open a weak 2 and will definitely be looking for game.

[the_clown]

I would bid 3♦.

We could easily have game and 2♠ will not get us there.

[nige1]

Off-topic: IMO (playing 2/1 with 3 weak twos), over 1♠, a possible response structure for a passed hand is

• 2♣ = NAT. 6+ ♣. Equivalent to a weak two.
• 2♦ = DRURY. INV with 3 ♠.
• 2♥ = DRURY. INV with 4+ ♠.

[wank]

nige1, on 2014-September-04, 09:36, said:

Off-topic: IMO (playing 2/1 with 3 weak twos), over 1♠, a possible response structure for a passed hand is

• 2♣ = NAT. 6+ ♣. Equivalent to a weak two.
• 2♦ = DRURY. INV with 3♠.
• 2♥ = DRURY. INV with 4♠.

possible, but absurd. it's obviously far more important to be able to show 5 hearts than 6 clubs.

[Zelandakh]

wank, on 2014-September-04, 09:55, said:

possible, but absurd. it's obviously far more important to be able to show 5 hearts than 6 clubs.

How about 2♣ nat, 2♦ hearts and 2♥ as a good spade raise? Not sure if the extra step is more useful for the heart hand or with the classic 2♣ nat, 2♦ Drury, 2♥ nat.

(Very) off-topic, the relay approach (1NT = art INV; 2♣♦♥♠ = weak, nat) still works in third too. You get a form of delayed Drury from responding 1NT followed by a 2♠ rebid.

[whereagles]

gszes, on 2014-September-03, 20:46, said:

spades will probably play better than hearts (though if playing something useful like drury the odds are
reduced a fair amount). The real downside of 2s is that our chances of actually playing there are slim
in a hand that look bad from the start. I have no qualms playing in a slightly inferior contract at a lower
and safer level especially since we do not know how high a 2s bid might get us. P not opening a weak 2 can
also merely be a matter of suit quality being insufficient for the vulnerability and our stiff K will go
a long way toward helping eliminate heart losers.

I see many 2s bidders are confident they are going to play there because in their mind they are not looking
for game but those passed partners also heard their p not open a weak 2 and will definitely be looking for game.

Pard also saw us bidding 2♠ and not passing 2♥. He will probably infer that, if opener (who is limited to ~14 HCP) did not pass 2♥, it's because he hasn't got much of a fit. Responder was warned not to keep pushing to game on a misfit.

And of course, responder can have 2 small spades. with which he might bid 3♠ now.