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#1 User is offline   wank 

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Posted 2014-August-29, 19:56



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doesn't seem like a tricky problem to me, but a superior player made a different call to the one i would have chosen and got a bad result. call this a resulting check.
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Posted 2014-August-29, 21:10

2S and 3D both seem reasonable. The main deciding factor would be partners style for this sequence, but I would also be more likely to stretch against weaker opponents.
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Posted 2014-August-29, 21:55

2S. 3D shows more values.
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Posted 2014-August-29, 23:52

2S I am not searching for a game opposite a passed hand that bid 2H. Seems obvious enough to me even though game might make.
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Posted 2014-August-30, 00:30

I like to play a style where a PH bidding 2H always show a S tolerance.

There is no hand unable to open 1H or 2H on round 1 that are good enough to make a PH 2/1 with a stiff spade.
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Posted 2014-August-30, 00:35

2 not close to 3 opposite a passed hand. Partner will raise with a fit. Without a fit only 5 could be missed and partner might still have a second bid, 2NT or 3 (perhaps).
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Posted 2014-August-30, 03:44

View Postbenlessard, on 2014-August-30, 00:30, said:

I like to play a style where a PH bidding 2H always show a S tolerance.

There is no hand unable to open 1H or 2H on round 1 that are good enough to make a PH 2/1 with a stiff spade.


Not sure what I'd do with x, 98765432, J, AKx, doesn't sound like a happy second in hand vul preempt or a nonforcing notrump and wouldn't open 1 playing American methods, but does have enough to sometimes make 6 opposite a 5332 with 2 aces.
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Posted 2014-August-30, 05:28

dbl post pwnage
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Posted 2014-August-30, 05:30

2 is better.. 3 jumps you into what can easily be a hopeless game.
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Posted 2014-August-30, 08:50

I like to play a style where a PH bidding 2H always show a S tolerance.

There is no hand unable to open 1H or 2H on round 1 that are good enough to make a PH 2/1 with a stiff spade. -- benlessard

*** Continue. There is no 3D bid that doesn't tolerate Hearts from a passed partner. Sways me to 3D.
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Posted 2014-August-31, 07:31

3
Didn't open a weak 2 so probably has a fit for one of my suits.
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Posted 2014-August-31, 09:10

The lighter the partnership opening bids the more tempted I am to pass
what is starting to look like a misfit with around 20 hcp max. If p usually
has sound values to open at 1 level I will rebid 2s which at least gets the
idea of my best (and probably most successful) feature across.

With almost any of the posters here I would pass.
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Posted 2014-August-31, 13:10

>>> The lighter the partnership opening bids the more tempted I am to pass

Right. But pard didn't open a weak 2. Spades surely must play better than hearts?
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Posted 2014-September-03, 20:46

View Postwhereagles, on 2014-August-31, 13:10, said:

>>> The lighter the partnership opening bids the more tempted I am to pass

Right. But pard didn't open a weak 2. Spades surely must play better than hearts?

spades will probably play better than hearts (though if playing something useful like drury the odds are
reduced a fair amount). The real downside of 2s is that our chances of actually playing there are slim
in a hand that look bad from the start. I have no qualms playing in a slightly inferior contract at a lower
and safer level especially since we do not know how high a 2s bid might get us. P not opening a weak 2 can
also merely be a matter of suit quality being insufficient for the vulnerability and our stiff K will go
a long way toward helping eliminate heart losers.

I see many 2s bidders are confident they are going to play there because in their mind they are not looking
for game but those passed partners also heard their p not open a weak 2 and will definitely be looking for game.
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Posted 2014-September-04, 09:06

I would bid 3.

We could easily have game and 2 will not get us there.
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Posted 2014-September-04, 09:36

Off-topic: IMO (playing 2/1 with 3 weak twos), over 1, a possible response structure for a passed hand is
  • 2 = NAT. 6+ . Equivalent to a weak two.
  • 2 = DRURY. INV with 3 .
  • 2 = DRURY. INV with 4+ .

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Posted 2014-September-04, 09:55

View Postnige1, on 2014-September-04, 09:36, said:

Off-topic: IMO (playing 2/1 with 3 weak twos), over 1, a possible response structure for a passed hand is
  • 2 = NAT. 6+ . Equivalent to a weak two.
  • 2 = DRURY. INV with 3.
  • 2 = DRURY. INV with 4.



possible, but absurd. it's obviously far more important to be able to show 5 hearts than 6 clubs.
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Posted 2014-September-05, 03:11

View Postwank, on 2014-September-04, 09:55, said:

possible, but absurd. it's obviously far more important to be able to show 5 hearts than 6 clubs.

How about 2 nat, 2 hearts and 2 as a good spade raise? Not sure if the extra step is more useful for the heart hand or with the classic 2 nat, 2 Drury, 2 nat.

(Very) off-topic, the relay approach (1NT = art INV; 2 = weak, nat) still works in third too. You get a form of delayed Drury from responding 1NT followed by a 2 rebid.
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Posted 2014-September-05, 03:25

View Postgszes, on 2014-September-03, 20:46, said:

spades will probably play better than hearts (though if playing something useful like drury the odds are
reduced a fair amount). The real downside of 2s is that our chances of actually playing there are slim
in a hand that look bad from the start. I have no qualms playing in a slightly inferior contract at a lower
and safer level especially since we do not know how high a 2s bid might get us. P not opening a weak 2 can
also merely be a matter of suit quality being insufficient for the vulnerability and our stiff K will go
a long way toward helping eliminate heart losers.

I see many 2s bidders are confident they are going to play there because in their mind they are not looking
for game but those passed partners also heard their p not open a weak 2 and will definitely be looking for game.


Pard also saw us bidding 2 and not passing 2. He will probably infer that, if opener (who is limited to ~14 HCP) did not pass 2, it's because he hasn't got much of a fit. Responder was warned not to keep pushing to game on a misfit.

And of course, responder can have 2 small spades. with which he might bid 3 now.
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