[dickiegera]

We started with 1♠-2♥, ending in 5 Hearts.


Makes 7♦, 7NT, 6♠ or 6♥

Thank you

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[SteveMoe]

1♠ - 2♥
3♦ - 3♥
4♦ - 4N
5♦ - 5♥ ♦Q?
5♠ - 6♣
6♠ - 7♦

♠K - ♣ control
♠Q

[kenrexford]

South has 12 cards.

[dickiegera]

kenrexford, on 2014-August-22, 19:52, said:

South has 12 cards.

South has 5 of clubs. sorry

[kenrexford]

dickiegera, on 2014-August-23, 05:10, said:

South has 5 of clubs. sorry

To stop in 5H means that something went very wrong. You provide a start but not the entire sequence, suggesting that the first rebid is where the train went off the tracks. This seems right. The 6-5 hand is difficult to show. If you rebid diamonds, partner cannot raise spades quickly because that would require 3. If you rebid spades, the auction can get even messier.

With discussion and agreement, I have methods to show 6-5 hands with two losers, but that's a tad obscure.

[dickiegera]

kenrexford, on 2014-August-23, 05:44, said:

To stop in 5H means that something went very wrong. You provide a start but not the entire sequence, suggesting that the first rebid is where the train went off the tracks. This seems right. The 6-5 hand is difficult to show. If you rebid diamonds, partner cannot raise spades quickly because that would require 3. If you rebid spades, the auction can get even messier.

With discussion and agreement, I have methods to show 6-5 hands with two losers, but that's a tad obscure.

Biding went 1♠-2♥-3♠-4♥-5♦-5♥-all pass

[gordontd]

SteveMoe, on 2014-August-22, 19:39, said:

1♠ - 2♥
3♦ - 3♥
4♦ - 4N
5♦ - 5♥ ♦Q?
5♠ - 6♣
6♠ - 7♦

♠K - ♣ control
♠Q

You have the hand with a void using RKCB.

[Cyberyeti]

We would have a sequence incompatible with 2/1 (starting 1♠-2♥(not GF)-2N(art GF)), but would end up with N using a version of GSF in diamonds and S showing 3 tops having previously shown 5 diamonds and a huge hand so would reach 7♦.

[Winstonm]

dickiegera, on 2014-August-23, 06:12, said:

Biding went 1♠-2♥-3♠-4♥-5♦-5♥-all pass

Your downfall was the 3S rebid. Impossible to recover after that IMO.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

dickiegera, on 2014-August-22, 19:33, said:

We started with 1♠-2♥, ending in 5 Hearts.


Makes 7♦, 7NT, 6♠ or 6♥

Thank you

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As much as I like constructing slam auctions, I'm not too thrilled with this one :
1S - 2H ( 2/1 GF )
3D - 3H
3S - 3NT
4D - 6D
7D
where:
bidding ♠-♦-♠ ostensibly showed a 6s/4d hand stronger than bidding ♠-♠-♦

4D now showed a 6s/5d hand

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Cyberyeti, on 2014-August-23, 08:05, said:

We would have a sequence incompatible with 2/1 (starting 1♠-2♥(not GF)-2N(art GF)), but would end up with N using a version of GSF in diamonds and S showing 3 tops having previously shown 5 diamonds and a huge hand so would reach 7♦.

Can you show your entire auction ? I'm interested in your GSF version .

[awm]

1s - 2h
3d - 3h
4d - 5c
5s - 6c
7d

3d showing extras, 5c a strong raise of diamonds, 5s cue denying heart ace, 6c showing both pointed aces.

[mike777]

Adam's sequence.

[Cyberyeti]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2014-August-23, 11:32, said:

Can you show your entire auction ? I'm interested in your GSF version .

We use the kickback version so a jump to 5♥ is GSF and gives us more space

Edit: full sequence, a lot of bids show what they do by the fact you haven't bid other things, honour = AKQ in descriptions

1♠-2♥(3♥ would be SJS, so there are inferences about the quality of the heart suit later)
2N(art GF)-3♥(heart suit playable in slam opposite stiff honour, no 4 card minor)
3♠(small stiff heart or worse, spades playable in slam opposite stiff honour)-3N(no luck on the spade front)
4♦(nat, 5 cards given partner has denied 4)-5♥(GSF in diamonds, with real hearts would have started with 3♥)
7♦

To bid this shape in this way (there are several other ways) the hand must be absolutely enormous, given the denial of K♥, it must be very nearly as good as this.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Cyberyeti, on 2014-August-24, 03:32, said:

We use the kickback version so a jump to 5♥ is GSF and gives us more space

Edit: full sequence, a lot of bids show what they do by the fact you haven't bid other things, honour = AKQ in descriptions

1♠-2♥(3♥ would be SJS, so there are inferences about the quality of the heart suit later)
2N(art GF)-3♥(heart suit playable in slam opposite stiff honour, no 4 card minor)
3♠(small stiff heart or worse, spades playable in slam opposite stiff honour)-3N(no luck on the spade front)
4♦(nat, 5 cards given partner has denied 4)-5♥(GSF in diamonds, with real hearts would have started with 3♥)
7♦

To bid this shape in this way (there are several other ways) the hand must be absolutely enormous, given the denial of K♥, it must be very nearly as good as this.

Thanks ...
But doesn't a GSF bid ask for 2 of the top 3 to bid 7 ?? ( implying that the "asker" has at least 1 of the top 3 ) .
In other words, if South only had 2 of the top 3, they would be in an "unmakeable" slam .

[Cyberyeti]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2014-August-24, 07:43, said:

Thanks ...
But doesn't a GSF bid ask for 2 of the top 3 to bid 7 ?? ( implying that the "asker" has at least 1 of the top 3 ) .
In other words, if South only had 2 of the top 3, they would be in an "unmakeable" slam .

No, we play 6N, we have the virtue having the normal responses covered by 5♠->6♦ so 6♥->6N show flavours of 2, also this is merely confirmation, partner is pretty certain from the auction that the big hand holds all 3.

[Fluffy]

I find it resulting that people rebid diamonds before spades over 3♥. I would rebid 3♠ without a doubt.

[aguahombre]

awm, on 2014-August-23, 11:36, said:

1s - 2h
3d - 3h
4d - 5c
5s - 6c
7d

3d showing extras, 5c a strong raise of diamonds, 5s cue denying heart ace, 6c showing both pointed aces.

Except for the word, "pointed" instead of "rounded", this should be the easy solution. It is smooth with the correct hand (South) receiving the correct information as Captain. It works for any natural style...2/1, SA, whatever ---all the same, and requiring no gadgets other than the common-sense agreement that 5C is for diamonds.

[Zelandakh]

I am surprised noone has mentioned the possibility of opening a 2 loser hand with a strong opening yet, even for BBF. As usual hands like this are simpler with a strong club. For a 2/1 auction we could take Don's idea and substitute 5NT for 6♦ if we use a response scheme such as (0 = 6♦; 1 = 6♣; KQ = 6♥; AQ = 6♠; AK = 6NT; AKQ = 7♦; AKQ + ♣A = 7♣. Or perhaps North even has enough for 4NT over 3♠ - then South could show the extras and very strong diamonds through a 6♦ jump. So there are a few ways of getting back to diamonds even when South's third call is 3♠.

[whereagles]

2♣

easy now