[PrecisionL]

mikestar13, on 2014-July-31, 02:28, said:

Interesting concept, I rather like it. Do you get a lot of criticism for passing flat 12's? My Real Diamond Precision partnership has moved to requiring 6 for the 2♣ opener, and using a wide range 12-15 1NT which may include 5-4-2-2 shapes, and passing flat 11's. Now 1♦ almost always has 4, it cam only be 3 with 4=1=3=5 or 1=4=3=5. I would be happier with a 13-15 1NT with pass or bash style responses, but this would require passing flat 12's.

I agree with an opening 2♣ requiring 6 cards, or a very good 5 and NO 4-card major. I have played this way for 10 years now.

In addition we have made the 1♦ opening artificial also, 0+♦ AND at least one 4-card major. Now we use a design similar to whereeagles comment:

1♦ - 2,3,4,5♣ = No 4-card major and 9+ cards in the minors (0-9, 10-12, 13-15, 16+).

2♦ opening is now like 2♣ opening, 11-15 hcp and 6-cards.

Also 12-15 for 1NT is too large a range. We use 11-14 and upgrade or downgrade 15s.

[steve2005]

PrecisionL, on 2014-July-31, 06:35, said:

Also 12-15 for 1NT is too large a range. We use 11-14 and upgrade or downgrade 15s.

Isn't 11-14 and 12-15 the same range width? or are you assuming only opening good 11's?

[PrecisionL]

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Isn't 11-14 and 12-15 the same range width? or are you assuming only opening good 11's?

Yep, the Kaplan-Sheinwold weak NT.

[shevek]

whereagles, on 2014-July-29, 07:36, said:

I actually did that for like 4 years lol. It's better of course.

The only reason I play this somewhat unsound club system is I want to mimic as much as possible the two-way forcing pass parent system. I can only play the parent system 3 times a year (open teams, imp pairs, team trials), so I need to have at least some of it in cache

Stating the obvious, your "two-way forcing pass system" should feature 4-card majors.

Concerning the actual, XX should be rescue.

[whereagles]

shevek, on 2014-August-07, 20:12, said:

1. Stating the obvious, your "two-way forcing pass system" should feature 4-card majors.

2. Concerning the actual, XX should be rescue.

1. That system has all 1x openers as natural, 9-14. You can therefore play any opening structure you like: 5533, 5442, old days 4CM structures, 1x always 4, etc. I can think of one advantage of playing "1x always 4", which is the ease of finding a fit at the first bid, regardless of suit. Coupled to the limited nature of the opener, it allows for frequent 1x-pass-3x preemptive bids.

2. By opener, you mean? E.g.

2♣ pass pass dbl
rdbl