[VixTD]

Club evening, IMP teams:

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EW bids are natural, Acol, at least four cards. 1NT is undiscussed in a regular but infrequent partnership of good club players.

I'm after logical alternatives, so what would you bid, and what else would you seriously consider bidding? If you seriously consider something, but on reflection, realise you wouldn't actually make the call at the table, don't include that in your answers.

[Cyberyeti]

In an undiscussed situation I'd bid 2♦ with no alternative assuming partner had equal length unless I'm very confident partner would bid 2♣ with that, and 1N asks me to pass.

[StevenG]

Trying to vote - forum crashes, and vote not registered.

[campboy]

I don't play these methods, but if I did I think I would often have longer diamonds than spades here, but not the other way about. So I would expect partner to bid 2♦ himself unless he wanted to get to 2♠ opposite this sort of hand.

Also, should we be including the call we would select in the second question? The wording suggests not, but the software requires you to select at least one option (and this is probably the cause of StevenG's problem).

[edit] Actually, if the bid really is undiscussed then I (a) wouldn't have made it and (b) might be better off bidding 2♦ now, though it's pretty much a guess as I don't expect partner to remove it.

[ggwhiz]

I have no quarrel with 2♦ but I would pass trusting that partner knows what I have and it's a big misfit.

I can't imagine anything else.

[StevenG]

Thanks Campboy. I've now voted, inaccurately, for 2♦ in both sections.

I would never trust partner to understand 1NT if undiscussed, and the pass virtually reveals that he didn't. Even if he did, my tricks are far too slow for 1NT.

[VixTD]

StevenG, on 2014-June-20, 06:21, said:

I would never trust partner to understand 1NT if undiscussed, and the pass virtually reveals that he didn't. Even if he did, my tricks are far too slow for 1NT.

When I said "undiscussed", I didn't mean there was any doubt that the concept of the unusual no trump was known to both North and South. They play a system of Ghestem overcalls in which a jump to 2NT shows the majors over a minor-suit opener and the minors over a major. They don't play weak two-suited openers. What else could a 1NT overcall possibly mean from a passed hand in direct seat? A balanced ten-count?

StevenG, on 2014-June-20, 06:21, said:

Thanks Campboy. I've now voted, inaccurately, for 2♦ in both sections.

Have I set the poll up incorrectly? I allowed one answer for the first, and more than one for the second. Is it insisting on at least one answer to each question, and is there anything I can do to fix it?

[scarletv]

VixTD, on 2014-June-20, 07:15, said:

Have I set the poll up incorrectly? I allowed one answer for the first, and more than one for the second. Is it insisting on at least one answer to each question, and is there anything I can do to fix it?

The problem is that you have to give at least one answer. So simply add "no alternative" in the second part of the poll.

[RMB1]

I think it would be clearer if the questions were reversed:
1) what would seriously consider / possibly bid - with multiple answers allowed
2) what would you bid - with only one answer allowed

[lamford]

RMB1, on 2014-June-20, 07:45, said:

I think it would be clearer if the questions were reversed:
1) what would seriously consider / possibly bid - with multiple answers allowed
2) what would you bid - with only one answer allowed

Indeed; I obtained an "internal server error" for entering 2D for the first part, and not answering the second part. Which seemed an appropriate comment by the software on this thread as a whole. Entering 2D for both is obviously gibberish, but it accepted that. Partner's pass is nothing to say, and 2C by him would be obviously natural, not equal length. I would just bid my better five-card suit, 2D, not expecting to do well, but 1NTx looks pretty horrible opposite a passed partner.

[barmar]

"internal server error" is the forum s/w's normal response whenever it doesn't like the user input. When I'm moderating and try to move a thread, but forget to tell it where to move it I get the same error, rather than a nice popup "Please select a destination". We're looking into upgrading, hopefully this kind of stuff is fixed.

[VixTD]

It's a bit late now, but I've added "no other choice" to the second list. Thanks for the advice.

[nige1]

IMO partner should pass if he judges 1NX to be a reasonable resting place (e.g. 14 HCP with round-suit values). Redouble should show equal length. But without explicit agreement, I'd be tempted to bid, worrying that partner might have different views.

I prefer polls where you can see who voted for what.

[mycroft]

Partner passed as dealer. She doesn't have 14 high with round values. 11, though, with especially club values and heart length, maybe.

[Trinidad]

I would bid 2♣.

I don't want to bypass 2♦, but I don't want to bid 2♦ and suggest that my diamonds are better than my spades. That leaves redouble and 2♣. IMO redouble shows that I have what partner can expect (which is somewhat better diamonds than spades).

Rik

[hrothgar]

My Diamonds are a lot stronger than my spades.
Slightly less chance that we're going to get doubled

[aguahombre]

Just because I have created this mess, knowing the opponents hold 24+ HCP between them, doesn't mean I should have to figure out what to do now.

I told partner I had the pointed suits, and partner didn't choose one. She knows I have at least 5-5, and that is what I have. She also didn't bid 2C. She wants me to play in 1NT, and there I sit. Next time, I will look at our redness before acting.

[nige1]

mycroft, on 2014-June-20, 12:14, said:

Partner passed as dealer. She doesn't have 14 high with round values. 11, though, with especially club values and heart length, maybe.

Thank you. Mycroft, I didn't notice partner's initial pass. In that case, because I have a worse hand than partner might expect, I'd be tempted to bid 2♦ (or bid 2♣ and redouble). If partner tanked before passing the double, I'm unsure what it would suggest

[aguahombre]

nige1, on 2014-June-21, 17:20, said:

Thank you. Mycroft, I didn't notice partner's initial pass. In that case, because I have a worse hand than partner might expect, I'd be tempted to bid 2♦ (or bid 2♣ and redouble). If partner tanked before passing the double, I'm unsure what it would suggest

It seems a lot of things were unnoticed here. But none of them have anything to do with what I should do now. Partner chose what hopefully will result in the least minus. Maybe she holds XX AKJT9 XX XXXXX and we can accidentally pull off -500.

When I make a takeout bid, partner takes it out. If she doesn't, she doesn't want to take it out.

[nige1]

aguahombre, on 2014-June-21, 21:08, said:

It seems a lot of things were unnoticed here. But none of them have anything to do with what I should do now. Partner chose what hopefully will result in the least minus. Maybe she holds XX AKJT9 XX XXXXX and we can accidentally pull off -500. When I make a takeout bid, partner takes it out. If she doesn't, she doesn't want to take it out.

If partner has that hand, it doesn't matter what you do Otherwise ...
1N was "undiscussed", so she might be unclear about its precise meaning. If she does guess its meaning, she may be unsure what to do with no clear preference. Some agree that partner would pass to ask you to choose; but I prefer redouble. I agree with Lamford that if partner bid 2♣ it should be an attempt to play there. These doubts influence your current choice.