[Quartic]

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You're playing modern Acol with a competent partner in a club teams event. 1♥ promises 4+ hearts, 11+ hcp. Your 1NT opening is 12-14.

[MrAce]

Unless 2♠ was NFB, we can not pass and that leaves us with 2 options which of both I do not like, but what else can I do?

-3♥
-3♠

I assume 2 NT would show a strong NT hand.

3♥ for me.

[guido]

3♥ seems clear. As I passed hand, it is highly unlikely I haveahand good enough for bidding three of a higher suit without support. Hence, 3♥ is/should be a fit non-jump.

[wodahs]

We play transfers there, starting with Double.

X = clubs
2NT = natural
3C = good+ diamond raise
3D = junk raise

So 3C it is

[Zelandakh]

You guys need to read the problem again. A FNJ (of my suit) and a Support Doubles (of partner's bid) do not apply here.

[whereagles]

Seems like we're endplayed into bidding 3♥, WTP?

[Trinidad]

I always thought that in Acol non jumps at the two level in suits that were hindered by the overcall were NFBs, showing about 8-11, so I would pass.

Am I completely wrong here?

Rik

[Zelandakh]

NFBs are not usually part of (English) Acol. They can be agreed of course.

[steve2005]

If there not playing NFB why is pass an option in poll??

I think its a NFB

[razorsharp]

Dontcha wish you had PASSED your trash? Garbage in, garbage out!
But now, facing extinction, I'll guess 2NT instead of 3H, as 10/11ththths of my HCP are outside OUR suitz!
razorsharp

[jdgalt]

I would bid 2NT if it were weak. But I think in this system it would be 15+, which I haven't got. 3H it is.

[MrAce]

razorsharp, on 2014-May-09, 08:39, said:

Dontcha wish you had PASSED your trash? Garbage in, garbage out!
But now, facing extinction, I'll guess 2NT instead of 3H, as 10/11ththths of my HCP are outside OUR suitz!
razorsharp

- No

- Reread the OP

[the hog]

razorsharp, on 2014-May-09, 08:39, said:

Dontcha wish you had PASSED your trash? Garbage in, garbage out!
But now, facing extinction, I'll guess 2NT instead of 3H, as 10/11ththths of my HCP are outside OUR suitz!
razorsharp

I am not sure what the word "dontcha" means, but if it is some sort of bastardisation of 'don't you', then no, I certainly wouldn't have passed. In Acol 2nt now shows 15-17, so I would bid 3H.

[the hog]

Trinidad, on 2014-May-08, 13:41, said:

I always thought that in Acol non jumps at the two level in suits that were hindered by the overcall were NFBs, showing about 8-11, so I would pass.

Am I completely wrong here?

Rik

Yes, you are completely wrong. Some Acol experts played that a suit higher ranking than opener's was nf and a lower ranking suit was forcing. However, this is only common to certain experts and not universal by any means.No nfbs are part of normal Acol.

[EricK]

I bid 3♥ and I'm quite happy with it. If we end up too high because the hand is a misfit it's probably because partner should have doubled rather bid 2♠!

[Jinksy]

EricK, on 2014-May-10, 02:46, said:

I bid 3♥ and I'm quite happy with it. If we end up too high because the hand is a misfit it's probably because partner should have doubled rather bid 2♠!

Why, would you have passed his X?

[Jinksy]

Btw, I don't agree with the people claiming 2N here should be 15-19 bal just because you're playing a weak NT. Here's my reasoning:

• The main reason for having it as that in a constructive auction is to allow slam hunting with 18-19 point hands. Here, when LHO is strong enough for a 2-level overcall, you don't have good enough support to raise P, and, for a 2N bid, you need some values in their suit, which are unlikely to be pulling their weight in a slam.
  
• If you do have some sort of stellar 19 count with crisp values, 4N would surely show it.
  
• Opener's 3m would probably be GF. If 2♠ is forcing and 2N is strong, that leaves your only NF bids as 3♥ and 3♠ - neither of which is particularly appealing if you've opened on such as x QTxxx AJ9 KQxx

You could prob play 3m as forcing to 3M which would make strong 2N playable, but that's got its own problems.

So without discussion, 3♥ seems like a relatively benign alternative if I'm worried P might get too excited by 2N.

[campboy]

I think it's completely wrong for 2NT to show extras here if 2♠ is forcing (and yes, I do play a weak NT). You could well have no other call on an unbalanced minimum (typically a hand which would have bid 1♥ - 1♠ - 2♦ in an uncontested auction). If it had gone 1♠ (2♦) 2♥ it would be a different story, since 2 of opener's suit would still be available for a hand with nothing better to do.

[the hog]

Jinksy, on 2014-May-10, 06:19, said:

<br>Btw, I don't agree with the people claiming 2N here should be 15-19 bal just because you're playing a weak NT. Here's my reasoning:<br><br><ul class="bbc"><li>The main reason for having it as that in a constructive auction is to allow slam hunting with 18-19 point hands. Here, when LHO is strong enough for a 2-level overcall, you don't have good enough support to raise P, and, for a 2N bid, you need some values in their suit, which are unlikely to be pulling their weight in a slam.</li><li>If you do have some sort of stellar 19 count with crisp values, 4N would surely show it.</li><li>Opener's 3m would probably be GF. If 2♠ is forcing and 2N is strong, that leaves your only NF bids as 3♥ and 3♠ - neither of which is particularly appealing if you've opened on such as x QTxxx AJ9 KQxx</li></ul><p><br><br>You could prob play 3m as forcing to 3M which would make strong 2N playable, but that's got its own problems. <br><br>So without discussion, 3♥ seems like a relatively benign alternative if I'm worried P might get too excited by 2N.<br>

Another poster who has clearly never played Acol. In Acol this is 15-a poor18, end of story.<br><br></p><p><br><br><br> </p><p> </p>

[Jinksy]

the hog, on 2014-May-10, 08:14, said:

Another poster who has clearly never played Acol. In Acol this is 15-a poor18, end of story.<br><br></p><p><br><br><br> </p><p> </p>

This is starting to feel like cyberstalking. If you have no argument to make and nothing friendly to say, kindly stop singling out my posts for your lazy abuse.