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After 1C-1S, 2S shows 5S and 4 of another suit. I'm wondering if I can offload some of these patterns.

I think I can use 1C-1S, 3D for 5/5 majors. Hands with diamonds can rebid 2C and then break relay later.

Would it be worthwhile to get rid of 5S/4H hands as well? 1C-1S, 2D-2H, 2N=5S/4H and 3C=1444? Is it a good deal showing the 5S/4H hand at the point of 2N (now 2S is not playable and I lose the 1C-1S, 2S-3S raise)? OTOH I have an easier time finding hearts.

If this is good (not sure it is) and then 1C-1S, 2S shows 5S/4+m then probably

2N-GF ask of some kind, but how to continue?
3C-5D/4C, nf
3D-6D, nf

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1C-1S, 2S-2N
.....3C-heart shortness
..........3D-asks
...............3H-5134
...............3S-5143
...............3N-5125
...............4C-5152
.....3D-diamond shortness
..........3H-asks
...............3S-5314
...............3N-5314
...............4C-5215
.....3H-5341
.....3S-5251
.....3N-5242 or 5224

1C-1S, 2H-2S
.....2N-45xy
.....etc-as for above

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1C-1S, 2N=5S/4H

3C-forces 3D
.....3D
..........P-to play
..........3H-GI hearts
..........3S-GI spades
3D-transfer
3H-transfer
3S-6+D, club concern

So we're allowed to "raise" spades anyway and also able to "raise" hearts.

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1C-1S (5-10, bal w/out 4 spades OR 5+D/4C or 5+D/4H or 6+D)

.....1N-17-19 bal or 3-suited with 4 spades
.....2C-GF relay or various relay breaks
..........2D-bal
...............2S-5+D/4+C
...............2N-4H/5+C
...............3C-6C
...............3D-6D
..........2H-6D
...............2N-4H/5+C
...............3C-6C
..........2S-4H/5+D
...............3C-6C
..........etc-5+D/4C
.....2D-6M or....
..........2H-p/c
...............2S-6S
...............2N-4H/5D
...............3C-1444
...............3D-4H/6D
..........2S-raise of hearts
..........2N-asks
..........3C-invitational for both majors, prefers 3C opposite 1444
..........3D-invitational for both majors, prefers 3D opposite 1444
..........3H-invitational for both majors, 4 hearts
.....2H-5H/4 other
..........2S-GF ask
...............2N-4S
...............3C-spade short
....................3H-1534
....................3S-1543
....................3N-1525
....................4C-1552
...............3D-diamond short
....................3S-3514
....................3N-2515
...............3H-3541
...............3S-2551
...............etc-5H4m22
..........2N-pass or correct to your minor
..........3C-6D/4C, p/c
..........3D-6D-to play
.....2S-5S/4m
..........2N-GF ask
...............as for 2H
..........3C-p/c to diamonds
..........3D-6D-to play
.....2N-5S/4H
..........3C-transfers to pass or invite
..........3D-transfer
..........3H-transfer
..........3S-6D
.....3C-4D/5C
.....3D-5S/5H
.....3M-invite

Open to suggestions, particularly over the 2N rebid. For example, are transfers best? Spades have already been bid so they primarily help opener declare hearts. I also thought about having 1C-1S, 2N-3D ask for shortness. Or 3D could be natural and invitational.