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Which is the better slam?

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Posted 2014-April-10, 10:10

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A
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Axx

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I'm thinking spades because the HA is going to get knocked out and we haven't the entries to ruff out a spade to ensure against a 3-1 spade break. Are the slams equivalent as far as safety goes? I.e. you can always draw trump (in a club slam) ending in dummy (having unblocked spades) and then see if spades run. I suppose you might undertrick worse in a club slam when they don't.

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Posted 2014-April-10, 10:39

I'm thinking I'd rather just play 4S.

But yes, on say D lead to A followed by heart switch, you can't ruff a spade. In a spade slam you can draw trumps before running clubs. If spades are 4-0 and clubs 3-1, then in a club slam you might go loads off whereas in spades you'd just be one off.

Goes to show, the adage of "what do you call an 8-card suit?" is probably right :)

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Posted 2014-April-10, 11:18

Don't you have another entry if clubs split 22?
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Posted 2014-April-10, 11:34

View Postkenrexford, on 2014-April-10, 11:18, said:

Don't you have another entry if clubs split 22?

Only if you take the second club in dummy which only works on the 40% chance of 2-2 clubs, an inferior line.
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Posted 2014-April-10, 11:58

View PostBillPatch, on 2014-April-10, 11:34, said:

Only if you take the second club in dummy which only works on the 40% chance of 2-2 clubs, an inferior line.

If clubs split 31 you still make if spades split 22 if rho has 3 clubs. 6S requires 22 spades. 6 requires 22 clubs or a specific 31 clubs or even 40 if spades 22.
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Posted 2014-April-10, 12:07

View Postkenrexford, on 2014-April-10, 11:58, said:

If clubs split 31 you still make if spades split 22 if rho has 3 clubs. 6S requires 22 spades. 6 requires 22 clubs or a specific 31 clubs or even 40 if spades 22.


Seems right to me. So SA. CK. CA. SK. Etc.
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Posted 2014-April-10, 14:11

View Poststraube, on 2014-April-10, 12:07, said:

Seems right to me. So SA. CK. CA. SK. Etc.

Yes. And, you might drop stiff Queen.

The 40 clubs is a problem, though. But, that might be fatal to 6S also.
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