[manudude03]

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2C promises a full-value Acol-style 2/1 (ie can be lighter than normal unopposed, but still stronger than most would expect). Your first double showed both red suits. What do you do here?

[Endymion77]

Someone's fooling around, probably East. I wish I could ask for keycards but 4NT would be a takeout with longer diamonds. This is really a question of how much you trust your partner's 2nd seat vulnerable takeout doubles.

[gszes]

If you cannot make 6d it is almost assuredly
because p made a crummy TOX. We do not have the
space to hunt around for 7 and since we have
already shown the red suits p can convert our
6d to 6h. On rare occasion 6d will have no play
but it is a reasonable gamble given the (highly
weird) bidding). There is also a very good chance
the opps will bid 6s (as a sac) so at least we
will get a decent sized penalty.

If I was 100% certain my p would take a 4n
bid as regular blackwood I would use it rather
than guessing 6d.

[MrAce]

 gszes, on 2014-March-03, 17:59, said:

If you cannot make 6d it is almost assuredly
because p made a crummy TOX.

Isn't it obvious that pd made a crummy TOX ?

Lets assume for the sake of argument that both EW are fooling. 1 of them opened with 9 count and other one responded with 7 count =16 + we hold 14 =30

We are looking at MOST 10 hcp held by pd. Probably less than that, unless E or W is fooling much more than we predict. OTOH, a lot of things do not add up here. If pd has such a weak hand, he should be at least have perfect or close to perfect TOX shape, hence short spades. Even opener has 8 spades, which i doubt for his bidding, and responder has 2 of them and i hold 1, that leaves pd with at least 2 spades.

I think E is fooling around not only with the hcps but also the club suit.

4 NT is longer diamonds in my world, it may even help pd to be the declarer which is good for us due to ♣ holding.. That is what i would bid. and i have no idea what to bid over 5♦/♥. Pd may have something like Qx Axxx Jxx KQxx and we have no slam and we can perhaps make 5 if ♥ splits friendly. I admit that jumping to slam may end up defending 6♠ doubled, because i believe they have too many spades, in order to justify the TOX of 1♠ with minimal values by pd.

[mike777]

don't see how pard can have less than:

xx...AJxx...xxx...Axxx

might have:

xx..AJxx..xxx....KQxx but that is not even a light opening bid and we are vul and pard forces us to the two level.

If 4nt shows longer d I will try that for starters

[bigbenvic]

Assuming that I've already shown 4 hearts with my double I'm bidding 5♦ as I have 6 and a quality suit, whereas I play 4nt as still competing but doubt as to which suit so maybe 44 (though why I'd want to go on I don't know?) but most likely 4♥ & 5♦.

I suspect that east has a 4♠ pre-empt and was just muddying the waters hoping to by it with 4♠.

[rmnka447]

I'm bidding 5 ♦. 6 ♦ might be there, but there's no way to know if partner has exactly the right cards.

I agree with all that think East is operating. West's 3 ♠ bid might be based more on playing tricks than HCP, maybe something like ♠ AKJ109xx ♥ xxx ♦ - ♣ Kxx.

[Trinidad]

I (or my partner) could hold ♠x ♥Axxx ♦xxxx ♣KQJx for the initial double. But that doesn't stop me from bidding 6♦.

Edit: The fact that 2♣ was forcing makes it even more likely that RHO is messing around with lots of spades and nothing else.

Rik

[Zelandakh]

 mike777, on 2014-March-03, 18:41, said:

don't see how pard can have less than:

xx...AJxx...xxx...Axxx

You would not double with ♠x ♥AJxx ♦Jxxx ♣KQJx? 4NT seems like a good start. Most likely we will not be able to bid this scientifically but there is little harm in at least trying. As an aside, what would an initial 2♠ advance have shown? Perhaps showing a strong hand the first time and then hearts with longer diamonds the second would help involve partner in the decision.

[ahydra]

5D (risk of two missing aces is too high - let alone some ruff somewhere since East sounds like he has a shapely hand).

ahydra

[iviehoff]

As well as operations, mispull that someone was not in time to change is a possibility. Most likely mispull is partner's double thinking he was passing. But partner can take responsibility for that if it turns out to be the case.

[r_prah]

Form of scoring matters. At IMPs I would bid 5♦ and at matchpoints I would bid 5♥.

[manudude03]

Full hand:

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