[mike777]

IMPS ..ALL NV

1D=(2C)=x=p
?


AK3....T85....AK74....865

[the hog]

mike777, on 2014-February-23, 23:18, said:

IMPS ..ALL NV

1D=(2C)=x=p
?


AK3....T85....AK74....865

2D, I guess. I hate 2NT and don't like 2M much more.

[wank]

pass - no raise, 3 or 4 quick tricks, maybe more with ruffing potential in p's hand, and a partner who forced us to the 2 level, and if it makes it's only 180, and as long as you don't look too pained while passing, there's a good chance of partner making some cheap trump tricks on finesses.

game prospects for us on the other hand look slim - even if partner provides a club stop, we're rather lacking in potential for 9 tricks.

[whereagles]

Pass. 2♣X is not even game

[ggwhiz]

whereagles, on 2014-February-24, 04:19, said:

Pass. 2♣X is not even game

Yeah, I thought it was a lead problem. Negative doubles with 1 long major and weak values don't exist in my partnership.

[gszes]

Bidding where I sort of live. 2D/H/S all seem to be short
by 1+ cards). If this is a horrid contract at least 2s is
far less likely to get the axe since I have such good spades.

I can understand those that might wish to bid 2d but if p is
short 2d can become ugleeeeeee very quickly while it is hugely
unlikely p is short and weak in a major. Note that I have not
even mentioned pass (I hate that idea) p is unlimited and leaving
the opps in a possible +190 situation while we could conceivably
still have slam seems wrong on so many levels.

[PhilKing]

gszes, on 2014-February-24, 13:51, said:

p is unlimited and leaving
the opps in a possible +190 ...

If you think they might score 190, it pretty much proves you don't pass often enough when pard doubles 2m.

[Lord Molyb]

Oh, it's IMPs? Pass. Matchpoints, I bid 2♦.

[mike777]

Thank you to everyone for taking the time to post your comments.


This had a lot of different comments in BW.

I guess I lean towards taking pards takeout sort of takeout... with 2s

fwiw I emailed this around and got a lot of different responses but many said pass despite the issue we may have 6d.

[johnu]

mike777, on 2014-February-25, 20:40, said:

Thank you to everyone for taking the time to post your comments.


This had a lot of different comments in BW.

I guess I lean towards taking pards takeout sort of takeout... with 2s

fwiw I emailed this around and got a lot of different responses but many said pass despite the issue we may have 6d.

LOL. In the Bridge World problem, the results were:

Action      Score  Votes
Pass        100    7 
2[diamonds]  90    8
2[spades]    80    7
2[hearts]    70    6

Do you think you are going to get more credible results with BBO posters than the Bridge World Master Solvers' panel who are all pretty much world class players?

[mike777]

johnu, on 2014-February-25, 23:47, said:

LOL. In the Bridge World problem, the results were:

Action      Score  Votes
Pass        100    7 
2[diamonds]  90    8
2[spades]    80    7
2[hearts]    70    6

Do you think you are going to get more credible results with BBO posters than the Bridge World Master Solvers' panel who are all pretty much world class players?

you raise so many point but yes

fwiw in my email many passed

anyway I bid 2s on the principle do not pass......

but clearly some true wc players did pass and some refused.

thus I hope to start a discussion on bbo

if the answr is easy ......sorry

if most of you on bbo don't think this is worth a discussion/debate.....ok

for me the best part of bbo forums is the discussion/debate.....not clear

[Zelandakh]

I do not understand why Pass got the 10 (100) points. Is it not standard in MSC-style columns for the top mark to go to the most popular reply, particularly here where the results could be seen as 21-7 in favour of bidding?

[PhilKing]

Zelandakh, on 2014-February-26, 03:53, said:

I do not understand why Pass got the 10 (100) points. Is it not standard in MSC-style columns for the top mark to go to the most popular reply, particularly here where the results could be seen as 21-7 in favour of bidding?

There have been a few exceptions. Sometimes the director upgrades based on the quality of argument, and sometimes he upgrades because some of the other voters said they had sympathy with action x, but it is certainly rare.

[johnu]

PhilKing, on 2014-February-26, 04:31, said:

There have been a few exceptions. Sometimes the director upgrades based on the quality of argument, and sometimes he upgrades because some of the other voters said they had sympathy with action x, but it is certainly rare.

Exactly right. What's a little amusing is that Eric Kokish was the director for that month's problems and he voted for 2♥, although in his comments, seemed persuaded by the comments of the passers.

[johnu]

mike777, on 2014-February-26, 00:30, said:

fwiw in my email many passed

And many more on this post. It looks like ~3/4 pass on BBF, while ~1/4 pass on Master Solvers.

mike777, on 2014-February-26, 00:30, said:

thus I hope to start a discussion on bbo

if the answr is easy ......sorry

Clearly there is nothing close to a best answer when 4 actions each get ~25% of the Master Solvers vote. If you had been the one who submitted the BW problem, you got your answer. There isn't enough information to make one bid standout, any of the four bids might expect to get the best result, and most of panel doesn't like their choices. IMHO, asking a very mixed skill level BBF forum isn't going to provide you with a more definitive answer.

There are zillions of possible hands and auctions out there that haven't been polled by real expert panels. Why not come up with something new instead of rehashing an old problem?

[Jinksy]

PhilKing, on 2014-February-26, 04:31, said:

There have been a few exceptions. Sometimes the director upgrades based on the quality of argument, and sometimes he upgrades because some of the other voters said they had sympathy with action x, but it is certainly rare.

Sometimes he does it because he's Brian Senior

[jeffford76]

PhilKing, on 2014-February-26, 04:31, said:

There have been a few exceptions. Sometimes the director upgrades based on the quality of argument, and sometimes he upgrades because some of the other voters said they had sympathy with action x, but it is certainly rare.

The actual MSC requirement is that if there is a majority choice it is required to be scored 100.

[HighLow21]

2♠. This problem would be much harder with AK tight in ♠ and 4 bad in ♣.

Pass is absolutely ridiculous in my view. LHO rates to have 5-6 tricks in clubs and at least one in hearts. That's pretty close to making already. Nothing about my hand says that (1) they can beat 2♠ or that (2) we can touch 2♣.

Heck, with the right hand with partner we could be making game in a major with 2♣ still on for them.