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7 level decision

Poll: SAYC 1D Opening (18 member(s) have cast votes)

What to bid as south ?

  1. Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Pass (Forcing) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. X for Penalty (9 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  4. X for Takeout (e.g. Negative x) (2 votes [11.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

  5. 6NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. 7C (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. 7D (7 votes [38.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 38.89%

  8. 7NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

What do you expect the % of sucess of a fitted 7 level suited contract by North?

  1. 0%~20% (0 votes [0.00%])

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  2. 20%~40% (1 votes [100.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 100.00%

  3. 40%~60% (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 60%~80% (0 votes [0.00%])

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  5. 80%~100% (0 votes [0.00%])

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What do you expect the % of sucess of a fitted 7 level suited contract by South?

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  2. 20%~40% (1 votes [100.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 100.00%

  3. 40%~60% (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 60%~80% (0 votes [0.00%])

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  5. 80%~100% (0 votes [0.00%])

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#1 User is offline   MinorKid 

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Posted 2014-February-24, 23:46


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Posted 2014-February-25, 08:23

All I know is that sometimes an Opponent would tell a Lie.
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Posted 2014-February-25, 08:38

Dbl for penalties. 7 risks some serious bad breaks and there's no rule against pard having wastage in spades.
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Posted 2014-February-25, 08:57

If RHO is an opponent I know to be solid I will bid on obviously, but on general I think I will double.
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Posted 2014-February-25, 09:29

Seems like the perfect takeout double to me :)

If partner decides to leave it in, they won't make. ;)

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Posted 2014-February-25, 14:17

Is pass actually forcing here?
I double.
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Posted 2014-February-25, 18:44

I have been reading for decades how we should all be playing
negative doubles through 7s and before us we finally have a
prime example of how effective such a strategy can be. So if
my p and I are playing playing neg x thru at least 6s I have
a perfect x here yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
and I will not have to worry about what to do with this dilemma
again for another 15 years or so.

Practically speaking I think it is highly preferable for x
here to mean 1 probable defensive trick and expecting the opening
bidder to produce another (that's right ultra light openers
beware). Pass merely means I expect to not supply even 1 defensive
trick and it is definitely not forcing since I would pass with
xx xxxx xxx xxxx and xx QJx QJxx xxxx though you might be able to
convince me to x with the second hand.

On this hand I x and hope against hope we cannot make something at
the 7 level (remember 7s is still available for a sac) so the most we
are missing out (assuming we set it) is 300 for setting 7 instead of 6
not horrific by any means but if we blow an 800 set in favor of going
down in 7 ouchies-----------------------------------------------------
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Posted 2014-February-25, 19:12

IMO 7 = 10, Pass = 9, Double = 7. Pass is non-forcing :) Double is penalty :) I wouldn't double 7. You may imagine you're playing high-stake poker but, at teams, unless RHO is a John Collings clone, his bid is unlikely to be a flight of fancy because (on a different hand) he won't relish explaining to team-mates why he conceded 200 or 500 in 6X when East made 4 in the other room with no profitable sacrifice for NS. IMO You should trust him to be within a trick of 6. Vulnerable, he might have 12 headed by the A. Or you may have a defensive accident. Anyway, Granny says "When in doubt bid one more."

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Posted 2014-February-25, 20:07

While the card might say "negative doubles through 7", there's virtually zero chance of partner pulling the double given our actual hand (partner is missing two aces and a bunch of other stuff).

I would just gamble and take the push. They may well save.
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Posted 2014-March-02, 17:04

If you bid 7, you just got overruffed on the opening spade lead. Also, I'd like to have you as a wrestling partner, because you're extremely easy to push around.
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Posted 2014-March-03, 15:35

If you double, preempter has AQJ-twelfth and out: -1660, or -1860 if you miscount on the pseudosqueeze :-) Or maybe even AQJ-tenth (as I saw last tournament), and 7 makes, and 6 goes for 500.

Having said that, I'm doubling "for takeout", quite certain that it's not likely to be taken out.
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