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Poll: What do you lead, and is it a guess? (28 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you lead, and is it a guess?

  1. A spade, yes it is a guess (2 votes [7.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

  2. A spade, no it is not a guess (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. A heart, yes it is a guess (1 votes [3.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.57%

  4. A heart, no it is not a guess (18 votes [64.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 64.29%

  5. A Diamond, yes it is a guess (1 votes [3.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.57%

  6. A diamond, no it is not a guess (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. A Club, yes it is a guess (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. A club, no it is not a guess (6 votes [21.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.43%

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Posted 2005-February-02, 10:05

Scoring: IMP

Pass - 1♣ - Pass - 1♥
Pass - 2N - Pass - 4NT
Pass - 5♥ - Pass - 6NT -
Dbl all pass...

What do you lead?

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Posted 2005-February-02, 10:13

I think I lead a heart. Maybe pard has AK or AQ of hearts and clubs run.
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Posted 2005-February-02, 10:30

I suspect partner wants a lead which is not obvious. Otherwise Dbl is just useless in imps imo. So I'll lead a ♣, the most unusual lead I can imagine...
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Posted 2005-February-02, 10:59

This is a Lightner double, isn't it? So partner is asking for dummy's first bid suit. And, if I'm wrong, I'll apologize to partner (again) :)

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Posted 2005-February-02, 11:01

macaw, on Feb 2 2005, 04:59 PM, said:

This is a Lightner double, isn't it? So partner is asking for dummy's first bid suit. And, if I'm wrong, I'll apologize to partner (again) :)

Agree (except that partner should be the one who apologizes to you if a heart lead is not what he wanted).

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Posted 2005-February-02, 11:03

yup, if he didn't want a heart he should have passed, cause i'm leading a heart
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Posted 2005-February-02, 11:30

I am really surprised. I would have guessed that "Lead dummy's first bid suit (unless I doubled with a void and you can guess where it is)" is the standard meaning of a Lightner double. The club leaders seem to understand it as "lead something unusual".

Now that we have established that neither is standard, what do you think is more useful?
What would you lead without the double?
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Posted 2005-February-02, 11:46

heart lead seems obvious. No there is no inference about partner not Xing 5H (he wouldnt if he had AKxx and out for instance, they may XX and make)
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Posted 2005-February-02, 11:47

Without further discussion, dbl to ask for heart lead is the default. I did read that dbl to ask "to lead the highest unbid suit", I guess this is not popular yet.

BTW, pd didn't have a chance to dbl 5H, which is bid by declarer, even if he has AKQ of hearts.
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Posted 2005-February-02, 12:07

Jlall, on Feb 2 2005, 05:46 PM, said:

heart lead seems obvious. No there is no inference about partner not Xing 5H (he wouldnt if he had AKxx and out for instance, they may XX and make)

Even worse, they might call the director, and you might not be allowed to lead a heart against 6NT because of the UI from the out-of-turn double...
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Posted 2005-February-02, 12:57

Seems a classic Lightener slam double. Heart is the choice. Am I missing something here?
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Posted 2005-February-02, 13:11

Its not a lightner double against 6N. I seriously doubt if partner is ruffing trick 1.

The auction sounds like a red herring to me. Whats 5♥? Is it an answer to blackwood accepting with a max? Or is it a suggestion of a strain?

Wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see pard with the ♥AK. And yes there are hands where they can run 12 tricks if we don't cash right away.
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Posted 2005-February-02, 13:17

The vote was even between a heart and a club until Fred weighed in. Then the next 7 votes went to a heart!
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Posted 2005-February-02, 13:23

inquiry, on Feb 2 2005, 04:05 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

Pass - 1♣ - Pass - 1♥
Pass - 2N - Pass - 4NT
Pass - 5♥ - Pass - 6NT -
Dbl all pass...

What do you lead?

If 5H is natural, heart lead would be the wrong lead because it doesn't make sense to me. Where would declarer's heart loser go? It is a lightner double and it asks for either S or D lead I believe. So it's still a guess, but not heart.
If 5H is answering RKC, then heart would be a possible lead. Still, you should make sure what 5H means before you lead.
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Posted 2005-February-02, 16:34

I have a question before i can answer this.
What is 4 nt? kvant or blackwood? and what is 5 !H? 3 cards or aces?


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Posted 2005-February-02, 17:46

helium, on Feb 2 2005, 06:34 PM, said:

I have a question before i can answer this.
What is 4 nt? kvant or blackwood? and what is 5 !H? 3 cards or aces?


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Posted 2005-February-02, 18:11

[QUOTE] Official Encyclopedia of Bridge (Lightner doubles): "The player who doubles expects to ruff the lead of a side suit mentioned by the opponents, or else win two top tricks in that suit."

A hand along this line is expected where without a heart lead twelve tricks are there for the taking.

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Posted 2005-February-03, 03:13

well, you better don't put quatitatives with 33-34 combined HCP winstom.

The only problem about not leading a ♥ now is that partner will probably be squeezed, not that they can cash 12 tricks.

I voted for ♦ :-P, didn't see the double :-(.
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