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#1 User is offline   SNTSNT7 

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Posted 2014-February-04, 01:00

1H-Pass-2C-Pass-2S. In SAYC is this a reverse?
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Posted 2014-February-04, 01:33

Yes .
Pedantists will tell you that it is always a reverse by definition and your question really is whether it shows extra values :)

Which it does in sayc
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Posted 2014-February-04, 01:30

View PostSNTSNT7, on 2014-February-04, 01:00, said:

1H-Pass-2C-Pass-2S. In SAYC is this a reverse?


Yes it is.



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Posted 2014-February-05, 00:55

Thank you! Would it be reverse in 2/1?
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Posted 2014-February-05, 00:59

View PostSNTSNT7, on 2014-February-05, 00:55, said:

Thank you! Would it be reverse in 2/1?


As per helene_t it is always a reverse. For people who play 2/1 GF there are different schools of thought as to whether you can just bid out your shape since you re already GF, or whether bids that "traditionally" show extra values should still show extras.
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Posted 2014-February-05, 18:43

In SAYC, w hat is the proper way to respond to such a reverse?
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Posted 2014-February-05, 19:24

View PostSNTSNT7, on 2014-February-05, 00:55, said:

Thank you! Would it be reverse in 2/1?


I play neither reverse nor showing extras in 2/1 myself.

If i skip bidding it after 2/1(GF) response, it means i don't have 4 card spades.% 99 of the time. And i do not think it is the correct forum to discuss this, since even the very top players have no common agreement or proof to show which one is significantly better than the other. And it also requires a lot of explaining about the details/style differences when using the same system, so called 2/1. Which i don't wanna do it here frankly.


But if you are curious, i remember at least 4-5 topics in other forums that people posted their thoughts on the subject in the past.
"Genius has its own limitations, however stupidity has no such boundaries!"
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"

"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."





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Posted 2014-February-06, 01:20

"Pedantists" would also point out that the word doesn't exist - it should be pedants...

To avoid complete thread high jack, this shows extra values in every system I play, whether it be SAYC, 2/1, Acol or anything else.
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Posted 2014-February-06, 01:27

View Postmr1303, on 2014-February-06, 01:20, said:

"Pedantists" would also point out that the word doesn't exist - it should be pedants...

To avoid complete thread high jack, this shows extra values in every system I play, whether it be SAYC, 2/1, Acol or anything else.

Hijack?
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Posted 2014-February-06, 01:29

Touche...

And yes, I know that should have an acute on the e.
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