[straube]

This is a relay structure that hopefully shows 5+ hearts right away...except when holding spades or 3-suited hands. Requires more memory but also nice to get a 5-cd heart suit in the picture before interference. Maybe someone can check my math here. Ideas for improvement welcome.

After 1C...

1H-4+ spades, handles every 3-suited hand with spades
.....1N-clubs or just spades
..........2D-just spades
..........etc-spades and clubs
.....2C-and diamonds
.....2D-any 3-suited hand with spades
.....etc-and hearts
1S-balanced or minors
1N-single-suited hearts or 5+H/side minor
.....2D-single-suited hearts
.....2H-5+H/4C
.....2S-5+H/5+C
.....etc-5+H/4D
2C-4+ diamonds
.....2H-3-suited short spades
.....etc-single-suited diamonds
2D-single-suited clubs
2H-4H/5+ clubs
2S-5+H/5+D
etc-4H/5+D

[straube]

or maybe...

1H-4+ spades, handles every 3-suited hand with spades
.....1N-clubs or just spades
..........2D-just spades
..........etc-spades and clubs
.....2C-and diamonds
.....2D-any 3-suited hand with spades
.....etc-and hearts
1S-balanced or minors
1N-single-suited hearts or 5+H/side minor
.....2D-single-suited hearts
.....2H-5+H/4C
.....2S-5+H/5+C
.....etc-5+H/4D
2C-5+ diamonds
.....2H-4H/5+D
.....etc-single-suited diamonds
2D-single-suited clubs
2H-4H/5+C
2S-5+H/5+D
etc-3-suited, short spades

It would be nice if 1C-2D denoted hearts but it seems like this conflicts with my aim of denoting 5-cd hearts.


1H-4+ spades, handles every 3-suited hand with spades
.....1N-clubs or just spades
..........2D-just spades
..........etc-spades and clubs
.....2C-and diamonds
.....2D-any 3-suited hand with spades
.....etc-and hearts
1S-balanced or minors
1N-single-suited hearts or 5+H/side minor
.....2D-single-suited hearts
.....2H-5+H/4C
.....2S-5+H/5+D
.....etc-5+H/4D
2C-5+ diamonds
.....2H-4H/5+D
.....etc-single-suited diamonds
2D-5+H/5+C OR 4H/5+C
2H-3-suited, short spades
etc-clubs

Funny how this last resembles IMPrecision

[Zelandakh]

I looked at some schemes like this too but I did not like the assymetry (5♥5♣ = 1NT; 5♥5♦ = something else entirely) and liked the idea of 2♣ = the red suits (getting both suits into the auction immediately) more. Some versions of this that always show a major immediately if one is held are:

1♥ = 4+♠, if bal or 3-suited then 4+♥
1♠ = no 4 card major
1NT = ♥ 1-suiter or 5+♥4m or 5+♥5+♣
2♣ = 4♥5+m or 5+♥5+♦
2♦ = 4-5♥, 0-3♠, bal or 3-suited
2♥ = 4-5♠, 2-3♥, bal
2♠ = 4-5♠, 0-1♥, 3-suited

or

1♥ = 4+, if bal or 3-suited then 4+♥
1♠ = no 4 card major
1NT = ♥ 1-suiter or 5+♥4m or 5+♥5+♣
2♣ = 4♥5+m or 4♥, 2-3♠, bal
2♦ = 4-5♠, 0-3♥, bal or 3-suited
2♥ = 5♥(332) or 5+♥5+♦
2♠ = 4-5♥, 0-1♠, 3-suited

or

1♥ = 4+♠, if bal or 3-suited then 4+♥
1♠ = no 4 card major
1NT = 0544 or 5♥(332) or 5+♥4+m
2♣ = 4♥5+m or 4♥, 2-3♠, bal
2♦ = ♥ 1-suiter
2♥ = 4-5♠, 2-3♥, bal
2♠ = 4-5♠, 0-1 hearts, 3-suited
2NT = 4♥, 0-1♠, 3-suited (1444/0445/0454)

The last of these looks to be closest to your aims but does use 2NT up. The extra space comes from the 1NT response but putting them there would lose the 5+ hearts meaning. It does achieve your aim of splitting up 4♥ from 5♥ and having 2♦ show hearts though.

[icer]

straube, on 2014-January-28, 00:03, said:

or maybe...

1H-4+ spades, handles every 3-suited hand with spades
.....1N-clubs or just spades
..........2D-just spades
..........etc-spades and clubs
.....2C-and diamonds
.....2D-any 3-suited hand with spades
.....etc-and hearts
1S-balanced or minors
1N-single-suited hearts or 5+H/side minor
.....2D-single-suited hearts
.....2H-5+H/4C
.....2S-5+H/5+C
.....etc-5+H/4D
2C-5+ diamonds
.....2H-4H/5+D
.....etc-single-suited diamonds
2D-single-suited clubs
2H-4H/5+C
2S-5+H/5+D
etc-3-suited, short spades

It would be nice if 1C-2D denoted hearts but it seems like this conflicts with my aim of denoting 5-cd hearts.


1H-4+ spades, handles every 3-suited hand with spades
.....1N-clubs or just spades
..........2D-just spades
..........etc-spades and clubs
.....2C-and diamonds
.....2D-any 3-suited hand with spades
.....etc-and hearts
1S-balanced or minors
1N-single-suited hearts or 5+H/side minor
.....2D-single-suited hearts
.....2H-5+H/4C
.....2S-5+H/5+D
.....etc-5+H/4D
2C-5+ diamonds
.....2H-4H/5+D
.....etc-single-suited diamonds
2D-5+H/5+C OR 4H/5+C
2H-3-suited, short spades
etc-clubs

Funny how this last resembles IMPrecision

Hi...

My current structure:

1♥= 4+♠
1♠= bal(no 5+) or minors (5+4+)
1N= 5+♥
2♣= 5+♦
2♦= 5+♣ (single suiter)
2♥= 4♥ 5+♣
2♠= 5+♥ 5+♦
2N= 3-suiter with ♠void
3♣=1444
3♦=4414 (taken out of 1♥response)

[straube]

Zelandakh, on 2014-January-28, 07:13, said:

1♥ = 4+♠, if bal or 3-suited then 4+♥
1♠ = no 4 card major
1NT = 0544 or 5♥(332) or 5+♥4+m
2♣ = 4♥5+m or 4♥, 2-3♠, bal
2♦ = ♥ 1-suiter
2♥ = 4-5♠, 2-3♥, bal
2♠ = 4-5♠, 0-1 hearts, 3-suited
2NT = 4♥, 0-1♠, 3-suited (1444/0445/0454)

I like this last one. Can you flesh it out a little bit? Also not seeing where the H/S 2-suited hands are placed.

[Zelandakh]

straube, on 2014-January-28, 11:18, said:

I like this last one. Can you flesh it out a little bit? Also not seeing where the H/S 2-suited hands are placed.

The ♥-♠ 2-suiters are under 1♥ as usual. Basically you show spades if you have them; if not hearts; and if neither then 1♠. In the following I am assuming Opener relays so the ... skips a bid compared with my usual notation:-

1♥ = 4+♠, if bal or 3-suited then 4+♥
... - 1NT = 4+ hearts
... - ... - 2♦ = bal or 3-suited
... - ... - ... - 2♠ = no void
... - ... - ... - ... - 3♣ = 4423
... - ... - ... - ... - 3♦ = 4432
... - ... - ... - ... - 3♥ = 4414
... - ... - ... - ... - 3♠ = 4441
... - ... - ... - 2NT = ♦ void
... - ... - ... - ... - 3♦ = 4405
... - ... - ... - ... - 3♥ = 4504
... - ... - ... - ... - 3♠ = 5404
... - ... - ... - 3♣ = 4450
... - ... - ... - 3♦ = 4540
... - ... - ... - 3♥ = 5440
... - ... - 2♥ = 4♠5+♥
... - ... - 2♠ = 5+♠5+♥
... - ... - 2NT+ = 5+♠4♥
... - 2♣ = 4+ diamonds
... - ... - 2♥ = 4♠5+♦
... - ... - 2♠ = 5+♠5+♦
... - ... - 2NT+ = 5+♠4♦
... - 2♦ = 1-suited
... - 2♥ = 4♠5+♣
... - 2♠ = 5+♠5+♣
... - 2NT+ = 5+♠4♣
1♠ = no 4 card major
... - ... - 2♣ = 5+♦0-4♣
... - ... - ... - 2♥ = 5+♦4♣
... - ... - ... - 2♠+ = ♦ 1-suiter
... - ... - 2♦ = ♣ 1-suiter
... - ... - 2♥ = bal
... - ... - ... - 2NT = 5♣(332)
... - ... - ... - 3♣ = 5♦(332)
... - ... - ... - 3♦ = (23)44
... - ... - ... - 3♥ = 3334
... - ... - ... - 3♠ = 3343
... - ... - 2♠ = 5+♦5+♣
... - ... - 2NT+ = 4♦5+♣
1NT = 0544 or 5♥(332) or 5+♥4+m
... - 2♦ = 5+♥4+♣
... - ... - 2♠ = 5+♣
... - ... - 2NT+ = 4♣
... - 2♥ = bal or 3-suited
... - ... - 2NT = 0544
... - ... - 3♣+ = 5♥(332)
... - 2♠ = 5+♥5+♦
... - 2NT = 5+♥4♦
2♣ = 4♥5+m or 4♥, 2-3♠, bal
2♦ = ♥ 1-suiter
2♥ = 4-5♠, 2-3♥, bal
... - 2NT = 5♠(332)
... - 3♣ = 4♦
... - ... - 3♥ = 4243
... - ... - 3♠ = 4342
... - 3♦ = 4333
... - 3♥ = 4234
... - 3♠ = 4324
2♠ = 4-5♠, 0-1 hearts, 3-suited
... - 3♣ = 4144
... - 3♦ = 4045
... - 3♥ = 4054
... - 3♠ = 5044
2NT = 4♥, 0-1♠, 3-suited (1444/0445/0454)
... - 3♦ = 1444
... - 3♥ = 0445
... - 3♠ = 0454
3any = free - probably choose either preemptive (as Precision) or transfer for a solid suit (qv Moscito)

I left the 5-4, 5-5 and 1-suited sections for you to fill in with your preferred structure. I also note, given your question about both majors, that you could move the bal/3-suited hands with spades and not hearts in to 1♥ and pull out some of the hands with both majors to the free 2M/3any responses if you preferred that. Whatever seems logical to you and your partner at the end of the day.

[straube]

Thanks a lot. Saved me a lot of time.