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Voting System Do we need guidelines ?

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Posted 2013-December-16, 22:55

To be honest, I'm not sure what problem we're trying to fix. Let's say you all have a million bajillion rep and I have zero. What is the damage?
The forum software can filter by score, but it does so in increments of 10. I've rarely seen a post with rep 10, and when I have, it's usually a really good zinger.

If you really want more Bridge-worthy posts to stand out, just have stars on the forums as well. It's the same username in any case.
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Posted 2013-December-20, 07:13

+1 for a daily limit on giving upvotes.
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Posted 2013-December-20, 11:23

I would find it mildly amusing if you had to give a written appraisal of say at least 10 words before you upvoted. Heart symbols would NOT count. I freely admit to giving PVWM (plus votes without merit) more often than most other posters, so I would be a net loser under this new rule, but it would still be a very funny situation.
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Posted 2013-December-27, 10:34

 JLOGIC, on 2013-November-29, 13:12, said:

Can you please stop upvoting me? Since I have started posting again you have upvoted me like 40 times just leave me alone, thanks.

Almost upvoted this. Hahahaha :-) Happy holidays Justin.
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Posted 2013-December-27, 11:08

 JLOGIC, on 2013-November-29, 13:12, said:

Can you please stop upvoting me? Since I have started posting again you have upvoted me like 40 times just leave me alone, thanks.

Looks like she actually stopped voting for you, that was the last day.

But you were only her second favorite in November, RSClyde got 3 more upvotes than you.

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Posted 2013-December-27, 13:25

 gwnn, on 2013-December-20, 11:23, said:

I would find it mildly amusing if you had to give a written appraisal of say at least 10 words before you upvoted. Heart symbols would NOT count. I freely admit to giving PVWM (plus votes without merit) more often than most other posters, so I would be a net loser under this new rule, but it would still be a very funny situation.

Of course, many of us upvote posts simply to say "I agree with this" or "that's what I was going to say", etc.
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Posted 2013-December-27, 14:51

Barmar wrote me:

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We've received another complaint about your excessive, random upvoting. You said a month ago that you would stop upvoting. But apparently you have been hitting the upvote limit almost every day:<br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248);"><br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248);">+------------+---------+ | date | upvotes | +------------+---------+ | 2013-12-26 | 20 | | 2013-12-25 | 20 | | 2013-12-24 | 12 | | 2013-12-23 | 4 | | 2013-12-22 | 20 | | 2013-12-21 | 20 | | 2013-12-20 | 20 | | 2013-12-19 | 20 | | 2013-12-17 | 20 | | 2013-12-16 | 20 | | 2013-12-08 | 20 | | 2013-12-06 | 20 | | 2013-12-05 | 20 | | 2013-12-02 | 2 | | 2013-12-01 | 18 | | 2013-11-30 | 20 | | 2013-11-29 | 20 |<br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248);"><br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(248, 248, 248);">Do I have to disable your voting privilege to get you to keep your promise?

UNQOUTE

IfI promised something, it was to wait for the outcome about of thisthreat, hoping on the existence of general consensus, on what Avoting system should look like.

AndI already said, as long as there are no guidelines for up ordown-voting, I would like that the results of the voting systemreflect my opinions. Isn't that basic for a Voting System.

So I see no reason why I should not use the Voting system...

Am I less than the other members ?




Anyway,who complaint ?

I never got a direct remark from any other member. "One" other complaint.... The first one, and the only one, I know of was by Inquiry !



As I do not want to provoke the execution of Barmar's threat, I will do no up-votes. After all, it is Christmas Time.

I am awaiting all your reactions to what I consider an act of intellectual censorship by Barmar.



Be The with you all and with the Voting System.
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Posted 2013-December-27, 19:04

 Lurpoa, on 2013-December-27, 14:51, said:

I never got a direct remark from any other member. "One" other complaint.... The first one, and the only one, I know of was by Inquiry !

Did you not see the one from JLOGIC? And the snarky comment from gwnn, which was upvoted by several people?
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Posted 2013-December-27, 23:37

Posting private messages is kind of an icky thing to do, FYI.
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Posted 2013-December-28, 04:18

 Bbradley62, on 2013-December-27, 13:25, said:

Of course, many of us upvote posts simply to say "I agree with this" or "that's what I was going to say", etc.


Yes, and in these cases upvoting is better than just posting that you agree, if you have nothing to add. Although of course sometimes we are forced to do this when the post is by a yellow.
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Posted 2013-December-28, 09:54

 Vampyr, on 2013-December-28, 04:18, said:

Yes, and in these cases upvoting is better than just posting that you agree, if you have nothing to add. Although of course sometimes we are forced to do this when the post is by a yellow.

Yes, when the yellows are right, that occurence is worthy of recognition.
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Posted 2013-December-28, 10:32

 Bbradley62, on 2013-December-27, 13:25, said:

Of course, many of us upvote posts simply to say "I agree with this" or "that's what I was going to say", etc.

Sure, me too. It wasn't a serious suggestion.
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Posted 2013-December-28, 10:47

 Lurpoa, on 2013-December-27, 14:51, said:

IfI promised something, it was to wait for the outcome about of thisthreat, hoping on the existence of general consensus, on what Avoting system should look like.

On November 26, you wrote to me:

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Do you mean that I only can upvote what "the others" like ? The Brave New World ?
Did your Directory ever define the criteria for upvoting ?
Who complained ?

In the mean time, I sent you my dearest respects....and wil not upvote again.

3 days later, you started upvoting again.

It's not our policy to reveal the names of people who submit complaints. If they want to reveal themselves to you, they can contact you directly or speak up here, but the report system is private communication between users and moderators.

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Posted 2013-December-29, 14:30

 Antrax, on 2013-December-27, 23:37, said:

Posting private messages is kind of an icky thing to do, FYI.


As someone without 50 posts: Agreed.

Also, I'm a lurker here. I have very few posts, but I do read all corners of the forum...

Coming from this position:

 Lurpoa, on 2013-December-27, 14:51, said:

I am awaiting all your reactions to what I consider an act of intellectual censorship by Barmar.


This quote kind of bothers me.

I feel like this is a space provided by BBO for discussion of many happy things - all aspects of bridge, the software, whatever we want within reason, etc.

As a space provided by BBO, BBO is allowed to try and shape it, to create the environment they want. (And honestly to me, it feels like a fairly permissive one.)

Sure, people are allowed to try to use the voting system how they want. Heck, passing out a bunch of upvotes seems like a nice thing to do. I don't really know the people involved here, don't understand motivations fully, etc.

However, barmar et al are allowed to determine what they consider abuse of the system. When they do, it's not intellectual censorship for them to do so. It's them keeping the space they provide for us in the shape they want it.

We're in their house. As such, it's both respectful, and wise (lest we find ourselves on the doorstep looking in!) to respect their wishes as best we can.
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Posted 2014-January-15, 13:32

 Bbradley62, on 2013-December-27, 19:04, said:

Did you not see the one from JLOGIC? And the snarky comment from gwnn, which was upvoted by several people?


No.
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Posted 2014-January-15, 13:34

 Antrax, on 2013-December-27, 23:37, said:

Posting private messages is kind of an icky thing to do, FYI.


Yes, I understand.

But it was the last solution I had.
Barmar isn't of the "let's discuss" type.
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Posted 2014-January-15, 13:36

 Vampyr, on 2013-December-28, 04:18, said:

Yes, and in these cases upvoting is better than just posting that you agree, if you have nothing to add. Although of course sometimes we are forced to do this when the post is by a yellow.


Fully agreed.

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Posted 2014-January-15, 13:42

 Fujiko, on 2013-December-29, 14:30, said:

As someone without 50 posts: Agreed.

Also, I'm a lurker here. I have very few posts, but I do read all corners of the forum...

Coming from this position:



This quote kind of bothers me.

I feel like this is a space provided by BBO for discussion of many happy things - all aspects of bridge, the software, whatever we want within reason, etc.

As a space provided by BBO, BBO is allowed to try and shape it, to create the environment they want. (And honestly to me, it feels like a fairly permissive one.)

Sure, people are allowed to try to use the voting system how they want. Heck, passing out a bunch of upvotes seems like a nice thing to do. I don't really know the people involved here, don't understand motivations fully, etc.

However, barmar et al are allowed to determine what they consider abuse of the system. When they do, it's not intellectual censorship for them to do so. It's them keeping the space they provide for us in the shape they want it.

We're in their house. As such, it's both respectful, and wise (lest we find ourselves on the doorstep looking in!) to respect their wishes as best we can.


Very, very nice words....
But the truth is.... that's exactly what Big Brother wants....

Be a sheep, and you will be eaten by the wolf.

Be The [hearts] with You.
You will need it....




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Posted 2014-January-15, 13:46

Too much empty words....


Please, give me a few real reasons, to satisfy Big Brother's demand.
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