[CamHenry]

Cyberyeti, on 2013-November-11, 07:56, said:

(4♣ would be...) Very strong hand with clubs and hearts, leaping michaels.

That's a good reason my idea wouldn't work!

In that case, I think X then 6♣. I'm a lot less happy about this.

[MinorKid]

#1 I'd also X but then bid 6♣.

#2 Pass
Bonus Question:
#2 [4♠] Pass [Pass] 4NT(T/O) [Pass] ?
#2 [4♠] Pass [Pass] X(PENL) [Pass] ?

[MinorKid]

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[Fluffy]

Cyberyeti, on 2013-November-11, 05:04, said:

So as you implied 9 tricks if partner had a spade stop, it's a spade stop and another card ? I was more interested in what it said outside the spade suit.

Depends on how crazy is the 3♠ bidder, against me you better have big extras like ♠AQ and a side card, but if partner is a solid citizen less is needed.

[ArtK78]

For what it is worth, I bid 5♣ on the first one and pass on the second one.The first one bothers me more than the second one. It takes two cards to make a slam on the first one, but those two cards could be ♥Q/♦K, ♠A/♥Q, ♠A/♦K, ♥QJxx, ♦KQx, and some lesser holdings will give us play. Of course, this assumes that my clubs are running, which will be true a vast majority of the time, but not 100% of the time.

The saving grace on the first one is that sometime (more than zero) partner will bid 6♣ over 5♣. I can't think of a hand which he could hold on which he would bid 6♣, but there must be one.

[nige1]

Agree with Fluffy.
Over 2♠, 3♠ = 10, Double = 7, 5♣ = 6, 6♣ = 5
Over 4♠, 5♣ = 10, 6♣ = 5

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Agree with Fluffy again
Double = 10, 5♦ = 8, Pass = 5

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[benlessard]

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For me, 3♠ followed by 5C is stronger than a direct 5♣. I am actually surprised anyone would think otherwise.

How many losers you need to bid 5C at imps vul here ?

While 3S is often a hand where you want to play 3NT if partner got a stopper and nothing else but if partner doesnt bid 3NT your just going to guess what you hope you can make so it cannot be stronger than a direct leap to 5C. Maybe 3S-3NT-5C show a better hand than 5C but its a rare route anyway.

At MP I would X but at imps jumping to 5C as a lot going for it. Advancer with KQx of D will have an easy 6C bid.

After 3S--3NT-- jumping to 5C I agree that its probably stronger than a jump to 5C but its a rare route anyway.

[Cyberyeti]

Partner's hands were:

Kxx, xxxxx, KQx, 9x

So you want to be in 6 (6N by him is the nuts), do you think this is enough for 4N over (2♠)-3♠-(4♠)- ?

Qxx, J10xx, AQ, xxxx

So pass or double should get you a plus score unless partner completely falls off the planet, any contract you play is doomed, ♣AQJ109 are over the K and the Q♥ is wrong.

[Fluffy]

Cyberyeti, on 2013-November-13, 16:53, said:

Partner's hands were:

Kxx, xxxxx, KQx, 9x

So you want to be in 6 (6N by him is the nuts), do you think this is enough for 4N over (2♠)-3♠-(4♠)- ?

♦Q makes it likely that partner has the ace, although for me ♥A and 7 solid clubs would be enough for 3♠, the odds are in favour of ♦A being in partner´s hands, so moving on sounds correct.

Even if responder passes the 3♠ bidder can double to show extras, but perhaps not that much as he has now.

[Cyberyeti]

Fluffy, on 2013-November-14, 03:46, said:

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♦Q makes it likely that partner has the ace, although for me ♥A and 7 solid clubs would be enough for 3♠, the odds are in favour of ♦A being in partner´s hands, so moving on sounds correct.

Even if responder passes the 3♠ bidder can double to show extras, but perhaps not that much as he has now.

Of course if you move, partner will have x, Axx, A, AKQxxxxx.

[Fluffy]

you should replace ♥A with the King, ir else there are 10 tricks still

[Cyberyeti]

Fluffy, on 2013-November-14, 09:57, said:

you should replace ♥A with the King, ir else there are 10 tricks still

What I meant was that ♠K and ♦KQ add no tricks to the second hand, so bidding 6 is not great, but funny if they kick off with 2 rounds of spades.

[benlessard]

Over an initial 5C (instead of double) you have an easy raise to 6C. 6NT is tough.