[CSGibson]

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NAOP, Matchpoints

[mr1303]

Hmmm, 3C I guess, not liking it. Where are the spades?

[MrAce]

Not sure if i would have started by 2 ♣, i might have perhaps, but since i did i will bid 2♥ now.

[Fluffy]

I have no clue, I think I'd just double. I wish LHO bids spades and partner doubles, but 3♣ could achieve the same 1 level higher, so no idea.

[billw55]

mr1303, on 2013-October-28, 00:56, said:

Hmmm, 3C I guess, not liking it. Where are the spades?

Maybe 553 starting on my left? Although in that case righty might reopen with x instead of 2♦.

Anyway, I will also choose 3♣.

[Hanoi5]

3NT. Partner will take care of spades.

[billw55]

edit: oops, wrong thread.

[jeffford76]

I don't see anything clever to do. 3♣ for me.

[ArtK78]

billw55, on 2013-October-28, 08:21, said:

I admit to a poor understanding of last train. Presumably partner has already shown slam interest opposite an appropriate hand (by splintering). So, what do I gain by showing nebulous interest back at him? With what hands will he now sign off?

I believe you are responding to the wrong Decision Points thread.

[PhilKing]

2♥ obviously.

[akhare]

3♣ for me.

[akhare]

3♣ for me.

[billw55]

ArtK78, on 2013-October-28, 08:43, said:

I believe you are responding to the wrong Decision Points thread.

dang those tabs .. lol

moving it.

[dake50]

"3NT. Partner will take care of spades." -- Hanoi5

*** Like-minded. How will partner ever believe I have both
red stops and a source of tricks, if not 3Nt?

[aguahombre]

When the opponents have taken four diamonds a Spade and a club to your one diamond and one club before you can claim, you will be at trick nine and can reconsider your choice to bid 3NT while claiming the rest. And Dake's partner will duly notice that you had both red suits stopped and a source of tricks.

Regarding whether to try 2H or 3C, I probably would have chosen 2H at the table; it sounds like the partnership choice, but on reflection it probably won't accomplish anything in this case except to give those other two guys more information.

[CSGibson]

Any thoughts about a 2N call here? Its what I wound up choosing at the table, but I thought this a very tough problem - 2N is almost never natural for us in these auctions, but I didn't think it possible to be two-places-to-play, which is our default meaning when partner has not made a call, so I thought it should show, well, this hand - a hand with red stoppers and a good club suit that is the feature of the hand, a trick-taking hand.

[rhm]

CSGibson, on 2013-October-28, 23:16, said:

Any thoughts about a 2N call here? Its what I wound up choosing at the table, but I thought this a very tough problem - 2N is almost never natural for us in these auctions, but I didn't think it possible to be two-places-to-play, which is our default meaning when partner has not made a call, so I thought it should show, well, this hand - a hand with red stoppers and a good club suit that is the feature of the hand, a trick-taking hand.

I am not keen bidding 2♥ when holding a void in spades.
North-South are probably not playing negative free bids and their fit could still be spades.

Rainer Herrmann

[MrAce]

rhm, on 2013-October-29, 07:07, said:

I am not keen bidding 2♥ when holding a void in spades.
North-South are probably not playing negative free bids and their fit could still be spades.

Rainer Herrmann

And this is why you should help them find their fit ! It's a greek gift!

Pd will be waiting with 4-5 spades behind the long spades, when you hold tons of defensive values. But you can sit and try to construct hands where

-Opponents misbid their hand or did not have the tools, and now found a superb fit
-And it turns out that my obvious 2♥ bid helped them to find it.
-And then with all these tricks in my hand + worst trumps break for them, was not enough to punish them

Jesus !

You must be really depressed! You need to get out of bed with better attitude

[dake50]

When the opponents have taken four diamonds a Spade and a club to your one diamond and one club before you can claim, you will be at trick nine and can reconsider your choice to bid 3NT while claiming the rest. And Dake's partner will duly notice that you had both red suits stopped and a source of tricks.

Regarding whether to try 2H or 3C, I probably would have chosen 2H at the table; it sounds like the partnership choice, but on reflection it probably won't accomplish anything in this case except to give those other two guys more information.

*** And we're cheap against their game, ain't we if all that conception is true?
Further, partner can go 4C - certainly cheap when all that bad stuff happens.
You can disagree because of the worst possible outcome, but source-of-tricks plus stops is obvious.

[CSGibson]

Final auction:

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North led a small diamond, ducked to the K, and S switched to AK and another spade; after that I wrapped the rest of the tricks. I have no idea why south doubled. I didn't really consider 2♥, but I still think 2N is a better call because I am not worried about the diamond suit - I think 2N should show an upper-ranged 2♣ call with diamond and heart stoppers, which is what I have.