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#1 User is offline   mr1303 

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Posted 2013-October-21, 06:51



Do we agree with the take out double here?
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Posted 2013-October-21, 07:08

Vul against not I think its borderline, but I think I would double.
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Posted 2013-October-21, 07:11

Yes

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Posted 2013-October-21, 07:25

I wouldn't even consider this to be light.
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Posted 2013-October-21, 07:26

Yes.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2013-October-21, 07:29

Yes.
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Posted 2013-October-21, 07:44

Yes. When are you posting the light one?
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Posted 2013-October-21, 07:57

OK, First no vote here. There may be one more out there.
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Posted 2013-October-21, 08:04

Would not consider passing, but p knows that.
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Posted 2013-October-21, 10:02

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Posted 2013-October-21, 10:26

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Posted 2013-October-21, 11:18

I thought it obvious too, but we got into trouble on this hand.

Partner held

Axx
J87X
KTX
Qxx

And it went 1C X 3C X
P 3S AP

2 off for not a good score
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Posted 2013-October-21, 11:27

I would vote no.

WIthout full values for my takeout double, I want perfect shape. The three card heart holding is not perfect, so I vote no.
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Posted 2013-October-21, 12:24

Agree with ArtK78
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Posted 2013-October-21, 12:29

View Postmr1303, on 2013-October-21, 11:18, said:

I thought it obvious too, but we got into trouble on this hand.

Partner held

Axx
J87X
KTX
Qxx

And it went 1C X 3C X
P 3S AP

2 off for not a good score

Were you on the same wavelength about responsive doubles? It looks as though you thought it showed both majors, and partner didn't.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2013-October-21, 12:31

The bid after the responsive Double is 3D by doubler. RD can then bid 3H if he is 4-4M, but he doesn't have to be 4-4M. He would have just bid a Major with 5.

The original double is o.k. by me.
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Posted 2013-October-21, 14:20

View Postmr1303, on 2013-October-21, 06:51, said:



Do we agree with the take out double here?


Agree in ANY vulnerability & scoring.

I don't like 3♠ bid by you, i would have bid 3♦. I will not get into long debate about responsive doubles and continuation, Andy tried to say briefly.

And what does this result has anything to do with whether we pass or X over 1 cl with this hand ? Assume you passed 1♣. would you also pass in peace if bidding went 1cl-pass-3cl-pass-pass ? In fact you are very unlikely to find your best fit on this hand, had you decided to pass over 1♣. You would be playing 3♥Posted Image

If you claim that you would have also passed 3♣, u can disregard my comment.
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