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Poll: 6250 (30 member(s) have cast votes)

What is your call?

  1. Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Double (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 1♠ (1S) (5 votes [16.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

  4. 2♦ (2D) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 2♥ (2H) - spades and a minor (22 votes [73.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 73.33%

  6. 2♠ (2S) (3 votes [10.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

  7. 3♠ (3S) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

How clear is this action?

  1. Obvious - would never consider any other action (9 votes [30.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 30.00%

  2. Clear - another option is tempting but would be a mistake (4 votes [13.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.33%

  3. Close - other options are inferior but I could live with at least one of them (13 votes [43.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 43.33%

  4. Very Close - it is pretty much a toss-up between 2 or more actions (4 votes [13.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.33%

  5. None of the above (or nothind to add) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   Zelandakh 

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Posted 2013-October-15, 02:29

I saw this hand and wondered what the views would be of the gallery here. I am sure some of you will recognise it but if you do please do not give spoilers until everyone has had a chance to answer.



You are playing Teams and estimate that the match is slightly against you. It is Game All and partner as dealer passes. Your base system is Stone Age Precision so partner might have a balanced 12 count but will open some minimal unbalanced hands that might be passed in 2/1. What is your plan after RHO opens 1 and how clear do you find the action?
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#2 User is offline   Zelandakh 

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Posted 2013-October-17, 05:43

Only 5 votes and no replies is a little disappointing. Is it that everyone else thinks the answer is too obvious to bother or just that everyone has seen the hand and is holding off answering for that reason? At the time of watching, there was some considerable debate on the correct call with this hand.
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Posted 2013-October-17, 07:00

OK Zel, I added votes and response just for you :)

Although I dont actually have much to say other than my votes :(
Life is long and beautiful, if bad things happen, good things will follow.
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Posted 2013-October-17, 07:07

Thank you Bill. I will give you an upvote for the effort. :)
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Posted 2013-October-17, 07:40

Hi,

I think 2H is reasonable.
The 6th spade gets bal. by the suit quality of the side suit.

I dont mind 1S / 2S, but 2H is certainly ok, or even obvious,
choosing an alternative would be based on tactical considerations.

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Marlowe
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Posted 2013-October-17, 12:43

I would have bid 2 myself.. I would live at least one of the other choices w/o strong opposition.

Zel, the reason of less replies is the way poll was arranged.

Poll allows us to vote what we think is right and on second poll it allows us to tell how tolerated or confident we are with our decision. This causes ;

a-People feel by voting they already said what they think about this auction and nothing further to add.

b-People remain cautious and don't vote because once they decide to vote, they will have to engage with one of the following statements in 2nd part.
"Genius has its own limitations, however stupidity has no such boundaries!"
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"

"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."





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Posted 2013-October-17, 13:39

Thamks Timo, that might be true. I have added a "none of the above/no comment" option. That will allow contributors to answer the first question without the second.
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Posted 2013-October-17, 22:54

I chose 1 and would not use Michaels with 6-5 unless there was a large difference in suit quality.

Not a factor in my choice under these conditions, but I don't believe it's worth using Michaels vulnerable with a weak hand at all and would just play it as intermediate or better.
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Posted 2013-October-17, 23:05

2S for me. In comparison, 2H takes up less space, is much easier to penalize, and will fairly often propel me to the wrong fit. The 2H bid also potentially helps opponents a lot in the play if they reach game. For me this is not actually close although I know many people bid an auto 2H on these hands.
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Posted 2013-October-17, 23:22

2h but I thought 2s a very close second option.
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Posted 2013-October-18, 02:08

Again, another vote for a close 2H, with both 1S and 2S being acceptable.
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Posted 2013-October-18, 05:32

I would not bid Michaels with 6-5 but surely with 5-6 or 5-5.
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Posted 2013-October-21, 16:56

This hand came from a jec match. After jec's 1 opening, the opponent bid 2 and after a somewhat strange sequence West eventually played 3X, down 4 for -1100. The 2 call came in for particular criticism, especially from a Yellow who found it ridiculous (and 1 clear). Others said 2 was automatic and predicted the same result would be seen in the other room. Given how divided the opinions were I thought I would ask here both what the choice would be and how clear it is. At the other table the result was not repeated, since East (apron) was able to open a two-suited 2, playing there doubled for "only" 800. That translated to 7 IMPs for jec and the last chance for a comeback was lost.
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Posted 2013-October-21, 17:58

2H. I do not understand the failure to use Michaels just because the suit is 6 in length. The suit quality is not that good.
What is ridiculous is the comment made by the yellow. Perhaps the yellow should learn to play bridge.
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Posted 2013-October-21, 21:18

 Zelandakh, on 2013-October-21, 16:56, said:

This hand came from a jec match. After jec's 1 opening, the opponent bid 2 and after a somewhat strange sequence West eventually played 3X, down 4 for -1100. The 2 call came in for particular criticism, especially from a Yellow who found it ridiculous (and 1 clear). Others said 2 was automatic and predicted the same result would be seen in the other room. Given how divided the opinions were I thought I would ask here both what the choice would be and how clear it is. At the other table the result was not repeated, since East (apron) was able to open a two-suited 2, playing there doubled for "only" 800. That translated to 7 IMPs for jec and the last chance for a comeback was lost.

Perhaps Jimmy Cayne is so well known that everyone else didn't need to google jec for his team? But who are the Yellows?
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Posted 2013-October-22, 04:50

Yellows are BBO staff and volunteers. On BBF you can recognise them because they have Group: Yellows or Group: Admin under their name in posts and because you cannot upvote their posts. As for the bridge qualities, it is my understanding that the Yellow that made the comments is amongst the best players in this category and therefore I am inclined to take what they write seriously, especially when they are so vehement in their position. FWiiW, noone mentioned Adam's 2 at all but this would probably have avoided the disaster too, since the spades divided 3-3 and it might have been difficult for Jimmy and Alfredo to get together for a penalty (but there is a reason why they are world class, so who knows?).
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Posted 2013-October-22, 05:15

My "other option" is a direct 3, but then I overbid my overcalls.
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