[kgr]

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1NT=6-9, non-forcing
(If you bid 2♣ now then this shows a strong hand (16+) and asks partner to describe his hand).
2♠ or is this good enough to bid 3♠?
Edit: Teams (IMPs)

[MrAce]

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Sry just saw that 1NT is 6/9

[kgr]

MrAce, on 2013-October-13, 05:52, said:

4 ♠

Thank you, I have added 4S as a poll choice

[ggwhiz]

2♠

My pard has the ♥KQJ, ♦QJ and out with a stiff spade.

[nigel_k]

2♠ is enough.

Partner will need perfect cards for game to be better than a finesse, and it will very often be worse than that even opposite a maximum. There is a risk that opponents balance and make something, but they haven't bid so far and it will be at 2♠ with our side having no guaranteed fit so it's reasonable to just hope they choose to stay out.

[gszes]

Since there is no rational way to make partner appreciate the club KQ
as valuable beyond imagination we will not bother to try and blast game.
P will accept game tries with hands like x KQxx KQxx xxxx and turn down
game with xx xxxx xxxx KQx. This concept makes a mockery of trying to
"guess" the right number of spades below game. We should be quite happy
at IMPS to be in 4s opposite the "weak" hand shown above so lets just bid
it and see what happens.

[mike777]

3s I hate missing games at imps.

but If you prefer 2s or 4s ok.


lets face it at most tables it will go:
1s=1nt where 1nt is quite a bit wider range....6-12/13 for me.

My teammates will understand down in 4s not 2s making 4.

[the hog]

Given the system you play where 2C is a strongish hand, (Gazilli?), you MUST bid 3S on this. I cannot understand the 2S bidders and suspect they did not properly read your post or do not properly understand your system.
Seriously, if you play a form of Gazilli, 2S would score zero.

[mike777]

the hog, on 2013-October-13, 20:50, said:

Given the system you play where 2C is a strongish hand, (Gazilli?), you MUST bid 3S on this. I cannot understand the 2S bidders and suspect they did not properly read your post or do not properly understand your system.
Seriously, if you play a form of Gazilli, 2S would score zero.

OK I don't know gazilli can you posit a primer on what 3s rather than 2c then whatever shows? thanks.....


btw I bid 3s and I don't know gazilli.

[the hog]

Mike, there have been many posts on Gazilli and its different flavours. Basically, after a 1NT bid 2C shows either Cs or a hand with 16+.
Given that the op appears to play this, I cannot really conceive of a hand that would not bid 3S, if it were not similar to the posted hand.

[awm]

I would have opened 4♠.

[mike777]

awm, on 2013-October-13, 22:41, said:

I would have opened 4♠.

ya so would I

[mike777]

the hog, on 2013-October-13, 22:17, said:

Mike, there have been many posts on Gazilli and its different flavours. Basically, after a 1NT bid 2C shows either Cs or a hand with 16+.
Given that the op appears to play this, I cannot really conceive of a hand that would not bid 3S, if it were not similar to the posted hand.

sorry but need more explanation on 3s vs 2c

You give the impression all 16support..hcp hands bid 2c? 16 what traditional hcp with zerosupport pts.


I guess I am saying gazilli is a mystery that seems based on some random 16....and the follow ups more of a mystery
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with all of that said I agree my 3s is a bid to a mystery

[kgr]

mike777, on 2013-October-13, 21:25, said:

OK I don't know gazilli can you posit a primer on what 3s rather than 2c then whatever shows? thanks.....


btw I bid 3s and I don't know gazilli.

This is what we play after 1S-1NT (I don't think it is really Gazilli?)
1S-1NT
- 2C: Asking
- 2D/2H: 5-4, NF
- 2S: 6c, weak
- 2NT: 5cC, 5cS, invite+
- 3C: 5cC, 5cS, weak
- 3D/3H: 5-5, game try
- 3S: 6cS, game try

1S-1NT
2C
- 2D: weak
- 2H: 5cH, weak
- 2S: 3cS, very weak
- 2NT: max, GF, no 3cS, no 5cH
- 3C/D: 6-card, need support for 3NT
- 3H: max, GF, 6cH
- 3NT: max, GF, 5cH

[kgr]

Thanks you all; N-S hands and bidding FYI.
Note: I know think that 3♠ is a better bid, given our system

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1NT=6-9, non-forcing
(If you bid 2♣ after 1NT then this shows a strong hand (16+) and asks partner to describe his hand).
Teams (IMPs)

[RSClyde]

ggwhiz, on 2013-October-13, 08:19, said:

2♠

My pard has the ♥KQJ, ♦QJ and out with a stiff spade.

You need a new partner

[johnu]

mike777, on 2013-October-13, 20:25, said:

My teammates will understand down in 4s not 2s making 4.

Get better partners