[mr1303]

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This hand came up during a session with my mentee last night.

Afterwards I started thinking about the 3S call. This could be taken as either a spade control or spade support. If the latter, then 4NT would be key card for spades, which has a lot of potential for disaster.

Thoughts?

[Antrax]

N isn't really a PH, right?

[mr1303]

Yeah, sorry, I accidentally put the wrong dealer down, and couldn't work out how to change it.

Assume South opens.

[Zelandakh]

This one is regular and here is a recent thread in which Justin contributed to the specific question being raised in the OP (Answer: double fit is more common but cue bidding is better).

[TWO4BRIDGE]

mr1303, on 2013-October-10, 01:35, said:

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This hand came up during a session with my mentee last night.

In the case of both majors, the first Major to be supported : ♥ is agreed as trump .
3S! therefore is a Ctrl cue bid .
4D = ♦ Ctrl, denies ♣ Ctrl .
4NT = RKCB for ♥
..... - 5C = 0 or 3
5D ( ♥Q-ask since the 3H support bid could be as few as 3 cards )
..... - 6H ( ♥Q but no outside Kings )

[mike777]

At the table I would just keep it simple and blast to 6h after 4d.

I don't want a cuebidding or rkc disaster.

This sort of deal demands detailed agreements with a long term partner that you both remember under pressure.

[mike777]

Over 3s you might want to try 3nt by south is a serious slam try, 4d or 4h would be less. On this hand north needs south to have 3 keycards and the Qh which qualifies as a serious slay try.

Playing 3h always agrees hearts as setting trumps has its pluses and minuses, not sure about that agreement but it works on this deal.

[EricK]

mike777, on 2013-October-10, 22:40, said:

At the table I would just keep it simple and blast to 6h after 4d.

I don't want a cuebidding or rkc disaster.

This sort of deal demands detailed agreements with a long term partner that you both remember under pressure.

I would have kept it simpler and just bid 4NT after hearing ♥ support. If that leads to a rkc disaster, we certainly shouldn't be playing rkc!

[mike777]

EricK, on 2013-October-11, 16:17, said:

I would have kept it simpler and just bid 4NT after hearing ♥ support. If that leads to a rkc disaster, we certainly shouldn't be playing rkc!

Of course but the five level is not safe hence the problem.

[EricK]

mike777, on 2013-October-11, 17:47, said:

Of course but the five level is not safe hence the problem.

If you are going to bid 4NT after partner cuebids a minor, then an immediate 4NT is only worse if partner doesn't have either minor Ace. Given that, he will almost certainly have ♠A and ♥KQ and ♣Q, won't he?

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

I am a simple soul, 3S is a cue for hearts, but showes a top honor.

If you play 3S as showing primary fit, than a common solution is to play
6 KC Asks.
http://www.bridgeguy...s/6AceRKCB.html

To complicate for me.

Playing the cue as showing a top honor does the job of locating missing
tophonors in the secondary suit quite well, not always, but sufficiently
often.

With kind regards
Marlowe