[kgr]

IMP's, temas

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Pass/DBL/4S?
edit: DBL is TO

[mr1303]

4S. Double will end the auction. 4S can be horrible but it would be pessimistic not to try it. Qx of spades may be enough.

[Cyberyeti]

 mr1303, on 2013-October-06, 04:40, said:

4S. Double will end the auction. 4S can be horrible but it would be pessimistic not to try it. Qx of spades may be enough.

Depends on your agreements on the double and system, pure T/O for us so is a viable option, particularly as partner can't have a weak no trump in our system.

[mr1303]

Even so, if partner bids 5D are you happy?

[kgr]

 Cyberyeti, on 2013-October-06, 05:41, said:

Depends on your agreements on the double and system, pure T/O for us so is a viable option, particularly as partner can't have a weak no trump in our system.

DBL is Take-out for us.
(It is defined a TO, but less pure than a DBL of lower level bids. Partner will sometimes pass, but that is exceptional)

[Cyberyeti]

 mr1303, on 2013-October-06, 05:43, said:

Even so, if partner bids 5D are you happy?

Not really, but only likely to be a big loser when partner has Hx or 3 spades, you're pretty stuffed if partner has something like x, Axx, KQJxxx, Kxx whatever you do.

[kenberg]

Lacking a detailed and optimal for this hand agreement, I keep it simple and bid 4♠. Some things lend themselves to science, others don't.

I usually play negative doubles through 3♠, so whatever double would be, it's not negative. Maybe it should be, but if my cc says ->3♠, then X is not negative. Partner probably won't expect a club stack, but he won't expect 6-4 in the majors either.

So I just bid 4♠. I have been wrong before and I will be again.

[kgr]

 kenberg, on 2013-October-06, 08:18, said:

Lacking a detailed and optimal for this hand agreement, I keep it simple and bid 4♠. Some things lend themselves to science, others don't.

I usually play negative doubles through 3♠, so whatever double would be, it's not negative. Maybe it should be, but if my cc says ->3♠, then X is not negative. Partner probably won't expect a club stack, but he won't expect 6-4 in the majors either.

So I just bid 4♠. I have been wrong before and I will be again.

DBL is TO for us.

[kenberg]

 kgr, on 2013-October-06, 08:25, said:

DBL is TO for us.

In that case I double. I see now you said that earlier, I was thinking it was just a comment from a commenter, rather than from the OP.

If pard responds 4♥ I am very happy and pass. If pard responds 4♠ I am amazed and still pass. If pard responds 4♦ I have a problem. I imagine he will make it, but 4♠ pays better. Since pard seems to lack four hearts, I am betting he has something in spades. Qx might well be enough. I am thinking that pard always bids 4♥ holding four hearts, trusting that my TO bid either shows four hearts or an ability to act over 4♥, perhaps with spades plus diamond support. So, over 4♦, I bid 4♠. I hope this (X, then 4♠ over 4♦) just shows my shape and is not taken to be particularly strong

Of course maybe we can't make anything. It's not like my hand is great. But if X is TO, I guess I will X.

And, as mentioned, I am not all that concerned about 5♦. Partner may well have the right hand for it if he does it.

[kgr]

IMP's, temas

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DBL is TO
RHO had xx=xx=A=AJT98xxx
4CX=, NS made 3NT at the other table.

[nigel_k]

Unlucky. If you just look at the N/S cards, 4♣ doubled seems pretty good. 4♣ undoubled may be better but is too hard to reach

[DJNeill]

X. I can correct 4D to 4S, Pass 4H, and get ready to blame Larry Cohen on anything else.

[the hog]

Double, which MAY or MAY NOT end the auction, depending on partner's hand. No other choice. 4S is far too unilateral and would rate as less than a pass in my book.