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fit-bid or splinter?

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Posted 2013-September-06, 10:40

3=6c; intermediate (10-15 HCP)
From our system: "Fit-bid: When opps compete then we play for responder splinters in suits promised by the opps and fit-bids in other suits. A jump by Opener in competition is a splinter."
It says nothing about advancer.

(1)-3-(Pass)-4
=> Is it best to have 4 here as fit-bid or as splinter?
=> ...and 5?
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Posted 2013-September-07, 03:13

fit bid, 5 should be natural.
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Posted 2013-September-07, 09:11

View Postkgr, on 2013-September-06, 10:40, said:

3=6c; intermediate (10-15 HCP)
From our system: "Fit-bid: When opps compete then we play for responder splinters in suits promised by the opps and fit-bids in other suits. A jump by Opener in competition is a splinter."
It says nothing about advancer.

(1)-3-(Pass)-4
=> Is it best to have 4 here as fit-bid or as splinter?
=> ...and 5?


I have in my files ( sorry, no link ) from 2004 regarding Rubens Transfer Advances .

He defines the following "Jumps" by Advancer :

a ) A jump-shift is a fit-bid in support of overcaller's suit
...... ( 1C ) - 1H - ( p ) - 2S/3D = fit-showing-jumps

b ) A jump-cue-bid to the 3-level ( ie. a single-jump ) shows the values for a constructive raise ( 7-9 hcp) with four or more trumps.
...... ( 1C ) - 1H - ( p ) - 3C!

c ) A jump-cue-bid to the 4-level ( ie. a double-jump ) shows shortness, support and a slam try ... 4+ trumps
...... ( 1C ) - 1H - ( p ) - 4C! = splinter .

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kgr : Now, regarding your auction, if the overcall were 2C, then 3D would be a fit-showing jump and 4D would be a splinter.
But, since your overcall is 3C [ 6c♣; intermediate (10-15 HCP) ] , you may have to redefine to whatever you agree with partner .
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Posted 2013-September-07, 09:34

View PostTWO4BRIDGE, on 2013-September-07, 09:11, said:

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kgr : Now, regarding your auction, if the overcall were 2C, then 3D would be a fit-showing jump and 4D would be a splinter.
But, since your overcall is 3C [ 6c♣; intermediate (10-15 HCP) ] , you may have to redefine to whatever you agree with partner .
I think it will be most logic to have:
- Any bid is forcing (except 4)
- 4: fit-bid
- 4: to play
- 4: splinter
- 5: to play
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