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Rule of 15 and other proverbs

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  1. Matchpoints NV (11 votes [20.37%])

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  2. Matchpoints V (11 votes [20.37%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.37%

  3. IMPs NV (11 votes [20.37%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.37%

  4. IMPs V (11 votes [20.37%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.37%

  5. None of the above (10 votes [18.52%])

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Posted 2013-August-30, 16:47

♠K ♥A872 ♦73 ♣KQT974

3 passes to you, under which conditions (if any) do you open?
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Posted 2013-August-30, 19:15

Vs. weaker opps: open, vs. stronger opps: pass. Generally leaning towards pass though.
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Posted 2013-August-30, 19:41

Clear opening in any seat IMHO. Rule of 15 was intended for borderline openers.
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Posted 2013-August-30, 21:24

Rule of 15 applies unless you are willing to go to the 3-level and on these cards I am.
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Posted 2013-August-30, 21:42

 mgoetze, on 2013-August-30, 16:47, said:

♠K ♥A872 ♦73 ♣KQT974. 3 passes to you, under which conditions (if any) do you open?
The decision is close. IMO, at MPs, you should open with a tolerant partner. At imps, perhaps, you should be more wary because (rarely) opponents will wake up and bid a making game in spades. Tim Rees argues that, often, Pearson points are a poor yardstick for 4th seat openers, because, for example...
  • Openers tend to be light in 3rd seat but sound in 2nd seat so you are likely to have the balance of the points.
  • Spades probably break badly for opponents when you have a spade singleton or void and nobody has opened.

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Posted 2013-August-30, 23:08

Under what conditions would I open? If I had a fourth seat weak two in clubs, I suppose....

Rule of 15 is one of the more reliable proverbs, even if not 100% perfect. I don't see any particular reason to believe good things will happen if we get involved.
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Posted 2013-August-31, 08:40

:P Open this hand? You gotta be kidding. Conceivably at MP if I needed a board. At IMP's a terminal offense - i.e. if my partner ever did such a thing, we are through for good.
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Posted 2013-August-31, 10:49

 jdeegan, on 2013-August-31, 08:40, said:

At IMP's a terminal offense - i.e. if my partner ever did such a thing, we are through for good.


My partner and I have a rule in our county league which is never to pass a board out.
He once felt obliged to open a 9-count in 4th seat as a consequence. We still ended up positive on the hand.
The only really expensive one was a perfectly good 12-count after which the opponents bid and made 3NT!

p.s. this is not an undertaking to opponents. I can give you some hands we would pass in 4th seat.

I never pass boards out at matchpoints. I always get a bad board when I do.
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Posted 2013-September-01, 07:12

 FrancesHinden, on 2013-August-31, 10:49, said:

My partner and I have a rule in our county league which is never to pass a board out. He once felt obliged to open a 9-count in 4th seat as a consequence. We still ended up positive on the hand. The only really expensive one was a perfectly good 12-count after which the opponents bid and made 3NT! p.s. this is not an undertaking to opponents. I can give you some hands we would pass in 4th seat. I never pass boards out at matchpoints. I always get a bad board when I do.
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Posted 2013-September-01, 08:52

Although i usually tend to pass when i am short in spades this is a 12 hcp 6-4 hand. ♠ K is stiff but i never throw out the whole value of a single honor.


I really wanna open 3♣ , if we have a ♥ fit they probably have ♠ fit and if we lose the competition it is not end of the world, we have defensive values. But 1♣ is of course the normal bid if we decide to open
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