[Hanoi5]

Butler, Both Red:

♠A5
♥987xx
♦AQxxx
♣x

Pa-(1♣)-???

I might have another question depending on what you choose.

[nige1]

Hanoi5, on 2013-July-19, 18:20, said:

Butler, Both Red: ♠ A 5 ♥ 9 8 7 x x ♦ A Q x x x ♣ x
Pa-(1♣)-???
I might have another question depending on what you choose.

IMO 1♦ = 10, 1♥ = 9, Pass = 8, Double = 6, 2N = 4.
2N expresses a serious opinion that we play the hand, so is inappropriate, vulnerable. Trendy players will have no compunction about overcalling 1♥ in spite of the lousy suit

[ArtK78]

nige1, on 2013-July-19, 19:10, said:

IMO 1♦ = 10, 1♥ = 9, Pass = 8, Double = 6, 2N = 5. 2N should express a serious opinion that we should play the hand, so is inappropriate, vulnerable. Modern players will have no compunction about overcalling 1♥ in spite of the lousy suit

Yes they will. 1♥ is awful.

On the other hand, given that partner is a passed hand, 2NT is not out of the question. The vulnerability is daunting, however. So I vote for 1♦.

[the hog]

1H of course. Hiding a 5 card Major is lol. Pdcould have AKxx of H and out and you have a play for 4H.

[Free]

♥ suit could be worse. 1♥ and 2NT are both fine imo, prefer 2NT tbh (quick in quick out).

[sfi]

I'm not that crazy about forcing to the three level on this hand. 1♥ for me.

[Fluffy]

I think 2NT is crazy with this low ODR vunerable, putting us into a 1100 risk when the opponents cannot make slam and might even go down in game.

I'd bid 1♥ if partner was not a passed hand, but since he is I aim to get a good lead and perhaps push them to 3/4 level, so 1♦.

This can be very wrong since a hand such as ♥AKxx and out gives us good game chances, but I feel pessimistic today.

[PhilKing]

2♥ - hearts and a minor. I like playing two-level bids as Multi Landy (as if they had opened 1NT). But this is only legal if a club could show two.

Failing that, I would definitely bid 1♥.

[MrAce]

Hanoi5, on 2013-July-19, 18:20, said:

Butler, Both Red:

♠A5
♥987xx
♦AQxxx
♣x

Pa-(1♣)-???

I might have another question depending on what you choose.

What does 2NT show in your system when vulnerable? 5-5 reds and at least close to opening values? Or at least an opener ? If so thats what i have and i would bid 2NT.

If you have much high requirements then it is really tuff. You don't wanna miss ♥ bid but otoh you madly wanna avoid ♥ lead if pd is on lead and he will be i am afraid.

[mfa1010]

1♥ for me. 2NT is too much and I'm bidding with the hope of getting the contract, so I'll show my major.

[rmnka447]

First, I'm not making any 2 level call showing 2 suits with this hand. Partner has already passed. So with a mediocre fit, any preference partner takes can potentially lead to a blood bath.

Yeah, game might be there if partner holds ♥ AKxx, but a part score looks like the limit of the hand our way most of the time. On a considerable number of hands, the opponents may be declaring. So I'm making the call least likely to get partner off to the wrong defense.

I bid 1 ♦.

[Hanoi5]

Pa-(1♣)-1♦-(1♠)
1N-(Pa)-Pa-(2♠)
Pa-(Pa)-???

[the hog]

Hanoi5, on 2013-July-22, 19:51, said:

Pa-(1♣)-1♦-(1♠)
1N-(Pa)-Pa-(2♠)
Pa-(Pa)-???

Now that I have misbid by overcalling 1D, I have a totally obvious pass.

[Codo]

Hanoi5, on 2013-July-22, 19:51, said:

Pa-(1♣)-1♦-(1♠)
1N-(Pa)-Pa-(2♠)
Pa-(Pa)-???

Now I have a totaly obvious 2 NT bid... This will show x45y or maybe xy54, but this is better then nothing.

[the hog]

Codo, on 2013-July-23, 01:49, said:

Now I have a totaly obvious 2 NT bid... This will show x45y or maybe xy54, but this is better then nothing.

Well done Roland, and your partner with a 4324 hand will bid......wait for it......drum roll....3D!

[Codo]

Yes Ron, I agree this is a big downside. But I bet, I will usually not get a good score in 2 Spade and I will bet that they will have sometimes difficulties to double us....

[Free]

Hanoi5, on 2013-July-22, 19:51, said:

Pa-(1♣)-1♦-(1♠)
1N-(Pa)-Pa-(2♠)
Pa-(Pa)-???

You got what you deserved...

[gszes]

even vulnerability



2N



emphasizing this wretched heart suit seems way off base to me. With 2N
I get immediate benefit of preemption and I give my p two places to sac
if its appropriate and this allows my p to better appreciate the values of
their red suit cards. This 2n bid has a tendency to favor diamonds since
we would be much more willing to overcall 1h (most likely game) with
decent hearts. I do not feel the 2n bid actively invites game any more than
a 1s 2n (minors) bid would. P should expect a hand of about this length
and strength at these colors.

[bigbenvic]

Bidding 1♦ and passing over 2♠, is it making? Maybe partner has many more black cards than red and we don't have a good fit. Perhaps the other tables bid 2nt find themselves in 3 hearts and Club club, lose a trump club taps me and opener has a 2434 type hand.
Could be -200 versus -110 or +100 if we can beat 2s.

Yes I'm creating a 'fantasy' but not giving imps away willy nilly isn't bad bridge.

Bidding 1♦ with me is much better IMO than forcing to the 3 level, opposite a passed hand when Vulnerable, with 9xxxx in my Major, against decent opponents you'll give up -200 or -500 too often to gain on winning the partscore battle.

[mfa1010]

Agree that 1♦ > 2N. 2N is an anti-percentage overbid, even if partner is in on the style and could be counted on underbidding in response. It's a bad compromise to force to the 3-level because one finds the heart suit too bad for a simple 1-level overcall.