[rmnka447]

2 ♥. It only promises 5 ♥ and not much else in values. The problem with Dbl is that partner may respond like it's a nondescript 9-11 count.

I'd expect overcaller to have 6 good ♣s and a descent hand -- might be more playing strength than HC values. Overcalling a forcing or semi forcing NT in 4th seat requires a modicum more strength because the opening side will be looking at 23-24 value on a lot of hands.

[nige1]

 mike777, on 2013-July-21, 15:58, said:

Hope to see the full deal posted if possible. A very interesting thread.

 straube, on 2013-July-22, 09:16, said:

.......AT42
.......Q642
.......K964
.......9
J9765..........Q
A5............KJT87
A32.............J8752
K84............T6
.......K83
.......9
.......QT
.......AQJ7532
I know that passing the double was wrong. OTOH, I could have been stitched with J9765 A5 A3 K842. I basically think that the most important message of this balancing double should be at least high card parity and the second message should be takeout. I shouldn't have to cater to weak 5/5 hands.

 straube, on 2013-July-22, 11:09, said:

We were asked for the layout. I gave the layout.

IMO, if that really is the layout, then West should probably bid 2♦ but all players should have noticed the red suit disparity. Although it is interesting to see the actual deal, simulations are more useful for discussion purposes. As PhilKing implies, we should try to avoid becoming result-merchants. Here for example, I think that a take-out double is more flexible than other calls and has a higher frequency of gain.

[straube]

 nige1, on 2013-July-22, 19:14, said:

IMO, if that really is the layout, then West should probably bid 2♦ but all players should have noticed the red suit disparity. Although it is interesting to see the actual deal, simulations are more useful for discussion purposes. As PhilKing implies, we should try to avoid becoming result-merchants. Here for example, I think that a take-out double is more flexible than other calls and has a higher frequency of gain.

Damn it all. In fixing my example hand, I mistakenly started fixing and then messed up the initial layout. I was 5323 as I initially posted. I've since corrected this. Sorry.

[wank]

 PhilKing, on 2013-July-22, 09:48, said:

[x] The opposition always have seven clubs when they overcall.

[x] The spade ace is always in dummy.

yes sometimes they'll only make +1