[the hog]

MrAce, on 2013-July-18, 02:09, said:

When your pd doubles them, ( which seems penalty in your methods with the excuse that pd denied 4 card hearts, upto you) and opponents keep on raising their own suit after the double, this should be a warning sign that your pd and you maybe in wrong pages about this double. Regardless of who wins the postmortem argument, i think W had all the clue that the doubles by E were a sign of shortness in their suit and extras. It could still be the best place for EW to defend 4♠ doubled if you change some cards from W. Don't forget E doesn't even know yet that they have a 9 card fit.

With the hand W held, he had no reason to leave the double imo.

Pull this double and you lose a decent partner forever. That is not to say that East is a dcent partner on this hand. I agree with Tyler, the last x was poor and East has no reason to think the contract will be defeated. This nonsense talk about "walking the dog" is precisely that. I cannot believe how many players on these fora get sucked in by such childish antics.

[Free]

I think West has a clear 3♦ raise. The final pass by West is dubious imo: partner doubles on power and West has ♣K, on the other hand, East's first Dbl suggests a double fit which might give 4♠ more chance to make.
North probably didn't think much of his ♥K and bid very passively. Imo he's worth at least an invite. He walked the dog very nicely though.
East did fine, he doubled to show extra's and the second Dbl is also ok because he actually expects to defeat 4♠.

Note: since we're suggesting other systems, with my favorite partner we open 3♦ in 1st seat (0-7HCP, 5+♦)

[MrAce]

the hog, on 2013-July-18, 18:42, said:

Pull this double and you lose a decent partner forever. That is not to say that East is a dcent partner on this hand. I agree with Tyler, the last x was poor and East has no reason to think the contract will be defeated. This nonsense talk about "walking the dog" is precisely that. I cannot believe how many players on these fora get sucked in by such childish antics.

I think yours and mine definition of 'decent pd' is way too distanced from each other. The one in your definition doeis not even fall in the group of my "worst players i have ever partnered with" both as bridge logic and manners wise.

I can't even believe some of the responses. Does anyone looking at the auction and colors ? KQJT spades and a good hand ? And opponents either asking the explenation of double or not even bothering to ask, one of them bidding 3♠ without being forced, and the other one raising to 4, again without being forced, and they are red !! Really ? And ya all expect something else than what E holds or similar from pd ?

Funny part is The Hog expecting me to feel bad for losing this dude ! It ain't gonna happen

4 tricks needed in East hand to make 2nd double ? Really ? If people needed such requirements for their doubles, opponents would outbid you in each and every single hand. I don't really mind W passing 4♠ dbl, it is a thin decision, but i would never leave my pd for passing the double or i would never leave my pd for making 2nd double.

We may or may not fully agree with those decisions but none of them were extremely absurd. But those are the things you have not developed and i suspect you will never Hog, because there are only 2 colors for you in bridge, white and black, and you think it is only you who knows when it is white and when black. Which is pretty sad actually for a lot of reason which i won't get into now.

[Fluffy]

I am not so troubled by getting some -790s when opponents have a 4-0 split and good fitting hand.

Havings said that west should bid a preemptive 3♦, this wouldn't change things much as I think East should still double 4♠, but it makes the decision closer and perhaps passing is an option.