What would Versace bid and what would you ?
#21
Posted 2013-July-17, 11:05
3♦ vul/vul is begging for a bad board, so little upside.
#22
Posted 2013-July-17, 14:44
#23
Posted 2013-July-17, 19:05
Versace : Not vulnerable, yes non vulnerable, with this weak hand now i need 6-4 to bid 2♦
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#25
Posted 2013-July-18, 13:56
PhilKing, on 2013-July-18, 13:27, said:
Wow...you really seem to not give much credit to his intentions. Is it because he once in his life overcalled with QTxxx and out ? Or do you have more of similar examples ?
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
#26
Posted 2013-July-18, 14:13
MrAce, on 2013-July-18, 13:56, said:
Sorry - forgot smiley wink face.
The ultra-weak examples I have come across are all NV, and it is clearly marked on his CC.
#27
Posted 2013-July-18, 14:34
#28
Posted 2013-July-18, 14:49
if lho has 3 spades they'll play in spades. then you only need partner to have the ace of hearts and you'll probably take the first 4 tricks.
if lho doesn't have 3 spades diamonds is going to play terribly if they manage to catch you.
#29
Posted 2013-July-19, 01:55
#30
Posted 2013-July-19, 02:41
2d or not? and why?
#31
Posted 2013-July-19, 09:32
I'm curious about the 'whys' of overcalling 2♦ on a hand like this. My case against 2♦ is:
- its not at all preemptive - and unlikely we can shut out their hearts;
- the lead directing element is negligible because we'll be on lead against spades, and a lot of the time partner can lead a diamond themselves against hearts, although if I make the overcall then I'll be on lead anyway a lot against hearts
- with partner being a passed hand makes it unlikely we can successfully compete for any part score
I realize there are some pretty wow results when we overcall that lands us some gin 5♦ (or -1) against their 4♠ but this seems like an outlier to me.
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#32
Posted 2013-July-19, 16:31
I will continue to abuse my green card and save my preempts for a time when
I actually want p to be looking for a sac (i.e. favorable then I bid 3d).
take one of my small spades and convert it to the club K (not the heart K)
and I'll bid 2d.
#33
Posted 2013-July-21, 14:56
Now, if the rules allowed me to make a weak jump to 2D over 1S, that would be perfect.
#34
Posted 2013-July-21, 16:55
#35
Posted 2013-July-22, 02:30
Siegmund, on 2013-July-21, 14:56, said:
Now, if the rules allowed me to make a weak jump to 2D over 1S, that would be perfect.
They do allow it*. eg that is what an EHAA 2 level overcall is. You just have to agree it with partner
* They don't allow you to call it a "jump", of course
#36
Posted 2013-July-22, 04:01
mike777, on 2013-July-19, 02:41, said:
2d or not? and why?
The issue is really whether you believe in the philosophy that a simple overcall should be "strong" because jump overcalls are "weak".
Having played that way for a long time, I have come to the conclusion, that you loose too many opportunities to overcall when you just can not afford to jump overcall. This philosophy also induces many to insane jump overcalls with the wrong hand.
This hand is somewhat a reasonable example.
The hand is unsuitable for 3♦. Just too risky in my opinion. Those, who consider 3♦ are losers against strong opposition.
Suitable vulnerable weak jump overcalls are rare in my opinion.
When RHO has already opened a jump to the three level should be a substantially better preempt than a 3 level preempt when you are dealer.
Your risk is higher getting caught speeding and your gain is less when RHO has opened already.
But overcalling 2♦ has lots of ways to win. The risk of getting caught is much lower and if, you are paying out 300 points fewer.
You direct a lead and you take away bidding room from opponents. Their bidding usually gets less precise.
After all it could be your hand.
Of course if partner expects more, because he believes in the above philosophy you can not overcall and when you do overcall with the above philosophy you are better positioned on stronger hands.
Nevertheless I have lost faith in this philosophy.
Rainer Herrmann
#37
Posted 2013-July-23, 16:31
#38
Posted 2013-July-24, 03:34
#1 facing an unpassed partner - No, if partner had the chance to bid, Yes.
#2 an add. King, maybe a Queen
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#39
Posted 2013-July-24, 03:59
PhilKing, on 2013-July-23, 16:31, said:
Getting old...