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1(x)-DBL-(pass)-3x ?
Please also tell me the difference, if any, when the x suit is a minor and when it is a major.
If there is no std for it, please tell me how you and your pd play it.
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What is this bid in std methods ?
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Posted 2013-July-14, 09:16
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Posted 2013-July-14, 09:55
I don't know if there's a standard meaning. The two meanings I have played are:
- Asking for a stopper, with something like AK10xxx of a minor and nothing else.
- One-suited slam try in an unspecified suit (or unspecified major).
- Asking for a stopper, with something like AK10xxx of a minor and nothing else.
- One-suited slam try in an unspecified suit (or unspecified major).
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2013-July-14, 09:58
3 of a suit over the one-bid looks like one of our opening 3-bids in our style.
3 in a suit under is a mama-papa 5+ suit with 9-11 or so expected.
3 of their suit ---don't think I have ever done that. Will await some good answers.
3 in a suit under is a mama-papa 5+ suit with 9-11 or so expected.
3 of their suit ---don't think I have ever done that. Will await some good answers.
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Posted 2013-July-14, 10:01
aguahombre, on 2013-July-14, 09:58, said:
3 of a suit over the one-bid looks like one of our opening 3-bids in our style.
3 in a suit under is a mama-papa 5+ suit with 9-11 or so expected.
3 of their suit ---don't think I have ever done that. Will await some good answers.
3 in a suit under is a mama-papa 5+ suit with 9-11 or so expected.
3 of their suit ---don't think I have ever done that. Will await some good answers.
I meant the x suit is the suit they opened with. Sorry if this was not clear. So basically i am asking a jump cuebid when pd doubled and RHO passed.
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Posted 2013-July-14, 10:22
There is no standard, and I also think its a very misused bid (for the lack of utility given)
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Posted 2013-July-14, 10:22
Never specifically discussed this, but it seems like a stopper-ask by general principles.
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Posted 2013-July-14, 11:30
We play it as a single-suited game force in a (or the other) major. Also if third hand bids at the 1-level (e.g. 1D dbl 1H 3D - still an unspecified major)
I don't think there is a standard.
I don't think there is a standard.
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Posted 2013-July-14, 22:51
I strongly suspect that most of my partners, if I made this bid, would have no clue what it meant. But then most of my current partners, when I suggest that we should discuss such things, are not interested.
I probably need some new partners.
I probably need some new partners.
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Posted 2013-July-15, 02:09
If X is major, I would think this jump cue is asking for stopper.
If X is minor, splinter and GF in major suit, probably holding 5440 or 5431 or 5530 with short in opener suit.
If X is minor, splinter and GF in major suit, probably holding 5440 or 5431 or 5530 with short in opener suit.
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Posted 2013-July-15, 03:01
There is no standard meaning that I know of. Most of the sensible meanings have already been mentioned but one that has not come up yet is differentiating between 4 and 5 card jumps; so (1♥) - X - (P) - 3♥ could be played as extras with 5+ spades. Some players even give up a 3♠ advance for this so it has to be sound. Of course, this does not work if their suit is spades and if their suit were a minor, you would have to choose which major was shown. It is probably not even worth the effort to even define the bid for non-expert partnerships. As Adam wrote, it will often be defined as a stopper-ask just by general meta-rules.
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Posted 2013-July-17, 07:33
I'd think it's a stopper ask, although I don't think it's good use and moreover I don't think I've ever encountered this auction. Doubler rates to be short in opener's suit, so usually he doesn't have a stopper anyway.
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Posted 2013-July-17, 13:38
I'm pretty sure that Meckwell use (1M) - X - (P) - 3M as a transfer to 3NT. I don't know, but I could see (1m) - X - (P) - 3m as the same. I know Garozzo, in his system Ambra, came up with uses for every bid up to and including 3NT on 1x - (X), so why not just use those same bids?
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Posted 2013-July-17, 13:52
In standard methods it has no meaning.
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Posted 2013-July-17, 13:55
chasetb, on 2013-July-17, 13:38, said:
I'm pretty sure that Meckwell use (1M) - X - (P) - 3M as a transfer to 3NT. I don't know, but I could see (1m) - X - (P) - 3m as the same. I know Garozzo, in his system Ambra, came up with uses for every bid up to and including 3NT on 1x - (X), so why not just use those same bids?
Meckwell [and others] play 1D (1M) 3M as a transfer to 3N to put overcaller on lead. Why would you choose to put opener's partner on lead after 1M-X-P?
After 1x - (X) lots of bids are raises of x, it would make no sense to play the same scheme after (1x)-X-(P).
Add me to the chorus of people who haven't discussed the call and wouldn't make it at the table.
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Posted 2013-July-17, 15:24
Source of tricks bid asking for a stopper. AKJTxx(x) is enough if you live for danger. If the doubler can't bid 3nt, cheapest suit works as we always have a landing spot
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Posted 2013-July-18, 09:23
chasetb, on 2013-July-17, 13:38, said:
I'm pretty sure that Meckwell use (1M) - X - (P) - 3M as a transfer to 3NT. I don't know, but I could see (1m) - X - (P) - 3m as the same. I know Garozzo, in his system Ambra, came up with uses for every bid up to and including 3NT on 1x - (X), so why not just use those same bids?
As I know, though Garozzo use transfers on 2x or higher bids, he wrote that 3x-1 shows a GF balanced hand, which (I think) is just a stopper ask.
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