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#1 User is online   jillybean 

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Posted 2013-July-07, 19:13

1H (X) 1N (2S)
4H (4S) 5C

Is clubs an alternate place to play, promising heart tolerance, is it a cue in support of hearts or something else?
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Posted 2013-July-07, 20:25

View Postjillybean, on 2013-July-07, 19:13, said:

1H (X) 1N (2S)
4H (4S ) 5C

Is clubs an alternate place to play, promising heart tolerance, is it a cue in support of hearts or something else?


It is a real head scratcher. Was 1NT presumably natural? Any chance it was some weird psyche? After your partner has described his shape and strength with his 1NT bid, and you have expressed a desire to bid and play 4♥, he can not be suggesting a club contract. Also, he has no idea if you have a (relative given the 4♥ bid) defensive hand, or if you have extra offense not yet fully shown.

If psyche 1NT is a possibility, I go with that, lots and lots of clubs, highly unbalanced, and nothing exciting in hearts, no defense. As a general rule, the 1NT bid should deny heart support anyway. So if he didn't psyche 1NT with something like 8 or 9 clubs, I have no idea what it is.
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Posted 2013-July-07, 20:38

In my partnerships, I'm nearly 100% sure that -- even without discussion -- this is a cue. I can't see introducing a new suit (that RHO has already shown) at the 5 level when partner has shown a single suiter.

I'd also think that 1H-1N; 4H-5C is a cue without interference (this is of course a different beast since 1N is forcing).
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Posted 2013-July-08, 03:36

DNE.

If anything, it probably means I was playing 1NT as a transfer to clubs.
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Posted 2013-July-08, 09:10

Lead-directing raise to 5♥? ♠xxx ♥Qx ♦xxxx ♣AQxx
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Posted 2013-July-08, 09:48

View Postkarlson, on 2013-July-08, 09:10, said:

Lead-directing raise to 5♥? ♠xxx ♥Qx ♦xxxx ♣AQxx

Yep this one I think.
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Posted 2013-July-08, 09:53

IMO the 1n was a not vulnerable psyche and a ton
of clubs and some heart support giving an alternative
contract x xx xx KQxxxxxx and zero defense.
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Posted 2013-July-08, 10:53

I give pard a sketchy spade stopper at best (even Qx at the time they bid 1nt is enough) and a hoped for source of tricks in clubs ie. AQJxxx(x) and it has to include a doubleton heart for the 5-level to make any sense.

A lead directing raise is close to waterboarding. We have suit preference for that.
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Posted 2013-July-08, 11:46

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict the hand was a train wreck.
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Posted 2013-July-08, 12:05

I would alert this and explain that in all probability it was a very bad bid. It is senseless to bid 1N over the double with long clubs when 2C would have been non-forcing over the double. It is also dumb at the 5-level to introduce my own hidden suit and fight against the big heart suit that partner has shown to be holding. The only thing that makes any sense is a lead-directing bid as a heart raise in case opps bid on to 5S, which means partner is raising to 5H on a doubleton heart and not enough high-card strength to redouble.

Like I said, probably a bad bid. Alert! :P
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Posted 2013-July-08, 13:31

♣, just forgot to mention them earlier (or thought 1NT is transfer and just repeats his suit).
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Posted 2013-July-08, 13:36

I would bet on a lead directing raise with a forgotten transfer a distant second choice...
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Posted 2013-July-08, 13:38

5C is a heart raise which also has club cards/wants a club lead. It is assuredly NOT natural and an offer to play arter first bidding 1N, so this is the only interpretation that makes sense to me.
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Posted 2013-July-09, 05:56

View Postggwhiz, on 2013-July-08, 10:53, said:

A lead directing raise is close to waterboarding. We have suit preference for that.

And what is your system for giving suit preference before opening lead?
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Posted 2013-July-10, 17:42

No, the hand wasn't one of my train wrecks :) Partner wanted to bid 5♣ to show a cue raise in spades
but doubled instead and afterwards wanted to know how I would have understood a 5♣ bid, this was with a new partner.

Here's the full hand but the auction looks odd. I cant imagine north bidding anything other than 4♠ but I did get a chance to
bid 4♥ so North did something other than 4♠





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Posted 2013-July-11, 02:35

South seems to be rather thin for his actions. Are you sure South did not pass at his first turn? Over a double, partner has enough to redouble.

BTW, I like your partner's approach - avoiding the undiscussed bid. Though if he wanted to do something to get you to 5♥ there was another alternative. B-)
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Posted 2013-July-11, 04:32

I think lead directing is obvious, but years playing with my father who has even overcalled 3 card suits at the 1 level might influence my views.
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