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How to bid ?
West dealer

[Cyberyeti]

Vulnerability is important also to judge the sacs.

1♣-P-P-2♥
2♠-X?-3♠-4♦ ? because some will play X as pens, some as T/O, and it's conceivable they'll double whatever
4♠-5♦-

Then vulnerability becomes all important.

[ggwhiz]

1♠ - p - 3♠ (weak) - 4♥
4♠ - p - p - double - float

down 2 on best defence. heart, club Ace, diamond over, club ruff

If the opps have that pre-emptive raise available I'm doomed from finding 5♦.

[Fluffy]

1♠-pass-3♠ (weak)-4♥
4♠-Double-pass-...

Up to this point the only bid that is not standard is north's double which shows cards, not penalty.

intermediates should be happy to bid 5♥ with south's hand at this point, but perhaps a 4NT bid suggesting a 6-4 is better.

[MrAce]

I agree with 1♠-3♠-4♥-4♠

But i would never double or leave double with S hand.

Cyberyeti auction totally looks like from another planet to me, even if we agreed on opening 1♣

[Cyberyeti]

MrAce, on 2013-July-06, 02:48, said:

I agree with 1♠-3♠-4♥-4♠

But i would never double or leave double with S hand.

Cyberyeti auction totally looks like from another planet to me, even if we agreed on opening 1♣

Do you not play 1♣-P-P-2♥ as strong jump overcall type hand ? is what I was taught when I started and have never seen any reason to change, and is a very standard 1♣ opener in the land of 4 card majors.

[MrAce]

Cyberyeti, on 2013-July-06, 03:30, said:

Do you not play 1♣-P-P-2♥ as strong jump overcall type hand ? is what I was taught when I started and have never seen any reason to change, and is a very standard 1♣ opener in the land of 4 card majors.

I play it not much more than opening values and 1 suited hand with 6 cards.Which makes it NF. Do you play it forcing ?

I would want to be in 4♥ vs almost nothing with this hand. Don't you ?

Some agressive N players may overcall 1♦ if you open 1♣ After all we saw players who makes 2/1 overcall with AJxxx suit and balanced hand in sandwich position in a recent topic. I don't know if this is MP or IMPS but imo at MP there will be people who would jump in with 1♦ non vulnerable. (I would have at MP)

But admittedly, as i confessed before, it has been almost a decade since i haven't been following developments or playing any serious bridge. Things may have been changed, if so i will stand corrected.

[Cyberyeti]

MrAce, on 2013-July-07, 03:47, said:

I play it not much more than opening values and 1 suited hand with 6 cards.Which makes it NF. Do you play it forcing ?

I would want to be in 4♥ vs almost nothing with this hand. Don't you ?

Some agressive N players may overcall 1♦ if you open 1♣ After all we saw players who makes 2/1 overcall with AJxxx suit and balanced hand in sandwich position in a recent topic. I don't know if this is MP or IMPS but imo at MP there will be people who would jump in with 1♦ non vulnerable. (I would have at MP)

But admittedly, as i confessed before, it has been almost a decade since i haven't been following developments or playing any serious bridge. Things may have been changed, if so i will stand corrected.

We're not that far apart on 2♥, this would be maximum for me, NF sort of 14-17 with 6 (I discount the singleton Q so consider it a 14 count worth 17). The problem with this hand is that ♦ Axx and out wants to be in 4♥, but ♠KJ and ♣KQ with ♦xxx doesn't, which might be an argument for bidding 4♥.

The most interesting question is what 1♣-P-P-2♥-2♠-X means ? and if X is pens, what do you do with the N hand ?

[PhilKing]

Cyberyeti, on 2013-July-07, 03:57, said:

The most interesting question is what 1♣-P-P-2♥-2♠-X means ? and if X is pens, what do you do with the N hand ?

3♦ - fnj after not overcalling. I think double should be penalties (eg a 4144 decent hand) but my rules have it as take-out.

But I prefer a 4♥ overcall and then North bids 5♦ over 4♠. South now has "the nuts".

[Cyberyeti]

PhilKing, on 2013-July-07, 04:16, said:

3♦ - fnj after not overcalling. I think double should be penalties (eg a 4144 decent hand) but my rules have it as take-out.

But I prefer a 4♥ overcall and then North bids 5♦ over 4♠. South now has "the nuts".

I'd want more than ♥xx to FNJ.

The other problem with this is that you now potentially bid a bad slam that happens to make because the 1/4 of the stiff diamond being the Q occurs.

[PhilKing]

Cyberyeti, on 2013-July-07, 04:44, said:

I'd want more than ♥xx to FNJ.

The other problem with this is that you now potentially bid a bad slam that happens to make because the 1/4 of the stiff diamond being the Q occurs.

Your pot odds for slam are good, since 5♠ will only be one off when partner's spade is an x (or making if West is 5-7). 5♦ gets you to a good slam when pard has x AKJTxxx Qxxx A. And partner knows you can't have AKxxx, so he will usually only bid slam with the queen.

Anyway, partner has jumped to 2♥, I have 100% of my values in diamonds, and I have a hand worth a raise to 3♥, so the objection seems ill-founded. Since slam has play, it is pretty clear that a 2♥ reopening does not come close to showing the hand.

I have probably looked at more of these five-over-five and six-over-five type hands than anybody since I got my database fully functional, and it really is vital to show the potential double fit and then just keep bidding when one comes to light.