[jillybean]

You are playing a system where (1N) X is a transfer to clubs or both majors.

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2♦ is a transfer to hearts, would you bid 3♣ here?

[TylerE]

Depends on if "both majors" could be 5-4 or not.

[ArtK78]

I would double 2♦. If it then goes (2♥) - P - (P) I would have to be at the table to decide whether I want to bid 3♣. I suspect I would pass it out.

[jillybean]

 TylerE, on 2013-June-10, 11:12, said:

Depends on if "both majors" could be 5-4 or not.

Could be but usually 5-5

[the hog]

This is the problem with playing these "either or methods". Including both majors with a minor suited possibility is very poor in my opinion. The majors are so important in competing that they deserve a bid for themselves.

[nigel_k]

Is 2♠ pass or correct? If so, I would do that.

It might not play very well if it goes all pass but I will still be in a better position than if I had bid 3♣. By inference I am showing a hand worth a raise to at least 3♣ so partner may choose to compete with 4♣ if they raise hearts.

[nigel_k]

Is 2♠ pass or correct? If so, I would do that.

It might not play very well if it goes all pass but I will still be in a better position than if I had bid 3♣. By inference I am showing a hand worth a raise to at least 3♣ so partner may choose to compete with 4♣ if they raise hearts.

[jillybean]

 nigel_k, on 2013-June-10, 19:39, said:

Is 2♠ pass or correct? If so, I would do that.

It might not play very well if it goes all pass but I will still be in a better position than if I had bid 3♣. By inference I am showing a hand worth a raise to at least 3♣ so partner may choose to compete with 4♣ if they raise hearts.

I like this.

[CamHenry]

For me, X here shows values, some diamonds, and a willingness to sit a penalty double. If you give me a little more (e.g. the ♦K) then I've got enough for this. That way, if it comes 2♥-P-P back to me, I know partner has clubs - so I can then compete.

Without this agreement, I bid 2♠ and hope partner's not bid on 4=5 majors.

[32519]

 jillybean, on 2013-June-10, 21:45, said:

I like this.

I don't like it. Partner may decide to compete in 3♠ over 3♥ thinking I am singleton or void in ♥ and can trump enough ♥ if his suit doesn't have the top honours etc. Now I show up with a doubleton ♥ and only 2 ♠

[Zelandakh]

When playing either/or methods, a common and practical solution is to use a double as a relay to ask partner to show their hand type. This works for the one-suiter call in Capp/DONT as well as for 2-suited methods like Asptro. How do you currently have your double defined?

[jillybean]

 Zelandakh, on 2013-June-11, 03:26, said:

How do you currently have your double defined?

We don't
My partner plays this system and having no strong preference (landy). I've been happy to play it
and until we have time to go through the details, work through the problems as they come up.
I seem to change my defence to NT every month or with every new partner.

[32519]

Where's the full hand Jilly?

[manudude03]

I would bid 2S. If you trust partner, you don't need to worry about them overcompeting (they shouldn't be bidding 3S without very good reason, they know you know how many hearts you have).

[jillybean]

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[jillybean]

 manudude03, on 2013-June-12, 03:17, said:

I would bid 2S. If you trust partner, you don't need to worry about them overcompeting (they shouldn't be bidding 3S without very good reason, they know you know how many hearts you have).

Yes, if 2♠ shows clubs.

[32519]

 jillybean, on 2013-June-10, 10:47, said:

You are playing a system where (1N) X is a transfer to clubs or both majors.

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2♦ is a transfer to hearts, would you bid 3♣ here?

 jillybean, on 2013-June-13, 08:04, said:

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So East psyched a transfer to ♥? Did your side buy the psyche? How did the bidding continue and what was the final contract?

[jillybean]

I think it was a misbid rather than a psyche.

I bid 3♣ (X) 3♠ (X) and that is where we played.

[Zelandakh]

If you double as a relay and West competes to 2♥, Overcaller could continue with (for example) Pass = 4 hearts; X = 5+ hearts; 2♠ = black suits; 2NT = minors; 3♣ = clubs only. On this hand, it would be interesting what East did next having heard partner's explanation. It would not be a bad idea to discuss interference with your partner in more detail if you are going to continue using this defence.

[nigel_k]

West's double of 3♣ is a strange choice unless there was some clue his partner might not have hearts.