[kgr]

IMPs

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Another discussion point with partner and team mates:
What do you bid with this hand in standard methods?
2♠ forcing or negative DBL?
Team mates prefer DBL, I would bid 2♠

With my partner we have following agreements:
2♠=5+c♠ non-forcing
3♥=5+c♠ invite+
DBL=negative
My partner chooses a non-forcing 2♠, I prefer 3♥

Do I overvalue this hand (At MPs I would probably DBL), or are my teammates to pessimistic?

[Free]

The ♥K isn't worth much for offense, but it is worth a lot for defense. So for your constructive bidding purposes you shouldn't count it's full value. This means you rather have 8HCP which makes Dbl much more appealing imo.

I also prefer Dbl because we still want to invite when partner would respond 2♠ based on distribution.

[PhilKing]

kgr, on 2013-May-19, 05:27, said:

With my partner we have following agreements:
2♠=5+c♠ non-forcing
3♥=5+c♠ invite+
DBL=negative
My partner chooses a non-forcing 2♠, I prefer 3♥

Do I overvalue this hand (At MPs I would probably DBL), or are my teammates to pessimistic?

Presuming this is part of a transfer scheme, it's not great for GF hands with 5 spades. Try this tweak:

2♠ = nf
2N = clubs
3♣ = diamonds
3♦ = 5+ spades GF (the extra step allows partner to fudge with 3♥ and bid 3♠ to show support).
3♥ = inv with six spades or full slam try six spades
3♠ = transfer to 3NT

Double followed by 3♠ is also GF and suggests a club fit. It works the same over 1NT but 3♠ shows an extreme take-out double.

Between the original 2 choices, I would double. Under the partnership options, it is a clear 2♠ - you can't flounder around at the three-level with this hand. If did, I would continue with 3NT, which rates to be as good as 3♠ if partner signs off.

[kgr]

PhilKing, on 2013-May-19, 10:47, said:

Presuming this is part of a transfer scheme, it's not great for GF hands with 5 spades. Try this tweak:

2♠ = nf
2N = clubs
3♣ = diamonds
3♦ = 5+ spades GF (the extra step allows partner to fudge with 3♥ and bid 3♠ to show support.
3♥ = specifically inv with six spades or full slam try six spades
3♠ = transfer to 3NT

Double followed by 3♠ is also GF and suggests a club fit. It works the same over 1NT but 3♠ shows an extreme take-out double.

We play:
3♦=transfercue: 4c♠, GF
(Opener: 3♥=no 4c♠,no stop // 3♠=4c♠ // 3NT=to play)
3♥=Transfer ♠, invite+
=> our 3♦ bid is not really needed because this can start with DBL. So your structure looks better.

PhilKing, on 2013-May-19, 10:47, said:

Between the original 2 choices, I would double. Under the partnership options, it is a clear 2♠ - you can't flounder around at the three-level with this hand.

2♠ NF clearly better than DBL?

[PhilKing]

kgr, on 2013-May-19, 10:59, said:

We play:
3♦=transfercue: 4c♠, GF
(Opener: 3♥=no 4c♠,no stop // 3♠=4c♠ // 3NT=to play)
3♥=Transfer ♠, invite+
=> our 3♦ bid is not really needed because this can start with DBL. So your structure looks better.2♠ NF clearly better than DBL?

I don't see the point of the high priority for the transfer cue, which essentially serves no purpose. This hand type can be dealt with better by doubling and then cueing, particularly after 1♣ where you need room to unravel partner's hand types as well.

2♠ NF is the only way of playing in ..... 2♠. It rates to be your best spot opposite a weak NT, and partner is not barred from raising or bidding 3♣. Partner should always remove with a stiff spade IMO.

[ahydra]

I would bid 2S in both systems (as long as partner knows I can be this good for a non-forcing 2S).

ahydra

[ArtK78]

This hand is not a game force unless you play very sound openings. With any partner of mine, I would treat this as less than a game force and bid accordingly.

[gszes]

this is a pretty darn cruddy spade suit and taking our chances
at missing a decent club partial so we can emphasize this
spade dreck seems off target. Treat this as a 4 card suit for
now and

x

Listen to what your p bids. If p bids 2s then our 5 carder looks
a ton better so we can raise to 3s. Who know p may bid 3c or
3d either of which may be vastly superior to a 2s contact
opposite 2 small spades. Save your non forcing 1s bid for
hand that have some decent suit quality. AQT9x for instance.