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#1 User is offline   barsikb 

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Posted 2013-May-18, 19:44

Dealer: South, Vul: E/W



What is North's best response to 1C opening?
If North responded with 1NT, should East come in showing his excellent Diamonds?

If bidding went 1C-P-1NT-2D, what should S/N next?
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Posted 2013-May-18, 20:46

I think 2 is terrible. Pass and lead A
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Posted 2013-May-18, 21:05

View PostTylerE, on 2013-May-18, 20:46, said:

I think 2 is terrible. Pass and lead A

Thank you, TylerE,

So you think the bidding should be 1C-P-1NT-PPP?

Still if East came in with 2D (players do make terrible bids ;) ), what would you do if you were sitting South? North?
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Posted 2013-May-18, 21:36

White v White, I do not hate 2 by South. South has already denied a 5 card major, East has not bid hearts. South can reasonably expect a Moysian (4-3) heart fit, but does risk a Burn's Law violation (ending up in a contract where the opponents have more trump than your side - you have 6 or 7 on this bidding). South has a minimum, but can afford to compete at the 2 level. South is also over East, who rates to have the most strength of the 2 opponents.

The bidding to this point suggests even to even+ strength. Protect against opponents picking up the 50 point part score bonus. If they really have a good fit in diamonds, you want them to have to make 9 tricks.
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Posted 2013-May-19, 05:59

View PostFM75, on 2013-May-18, 21:36, said:

White v White, I do not hate 2 by South. South has already denied a 5 card major, East has not bid hearts. South can reasonably expect a Moysian (4-3) heart fit, but does risk a Burn's Law violation (ending up in a contract where the opponents have more trump than your side - you have 6 or 7 on this bidding). South has a minimum, but can afford to compete at the 2 level. South is also over East, who rates to have the most strength of the 2 opponents.

The bidding to this point suggests even to even+ strength. Protect against opponents picking up the 50 point part score bonus. If they really have a good fit in diamonds, you want them to have to make 9 tricks.


2H wouldn't be taken as a reverse by North, because if S was strong enough to reverse should rather double 2D?
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Posted 2013-May-19, 09:56

2H would be a reverse. bidding as north, south, east, or indeed, west, would be ridiculous. north-south can both can pass happily enough with 3 diamonds, knowing that if their partner has short diamonds and a decent hand he'll act.

vis a vis the east hand, aside from the obvious fact that your hand is great for defending no-trumps and is otherwise terrible, unless you have prospects of making game, and you're lacking any other reasonable call, you should usually have a six card suit to overcall at the 2 level. one common error is to overcall with something like xx Kxx AQJxx Axx over 1S. This type of hand is more suitable to a take-out double - 3+ cards in unbid majors, maximum of 3 cards in the opps' bid suit (where relevant, you can often double with only 2+ cards in unbid minors).
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Posted 2013-May-19, 12:35

N/S have finished ther auction after 1C (P) 1N.

If East wants to offer up -100 vs -90, who cares? At matchpoints, we care.
"Bidding Spades to show spades can work well." (Kenberg)
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Posted 2013-May-20, 06:51

View Postaguahombre, on 2013-May-19, 12:35, said:

N/S have finished ther auction after 1C (P) 1N.

If East wants to offer up -100 vs -90, who cares? At matchpoints, we care.


Thank you :)
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Posted 2013-May-20, 06:53

View Postwank, on 2013-May-19, 09:56, said:

(where relevant, you can often double with only 2+ cards in unbid minors).


Considered many times but worried that pd may bid that minor with 4-cards...
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Posted 2013-May-20, 07:08

View Postbarsikb, on 2013-May-20, 06:53, said:

Considered many times but worried that pd may bid that minor with 4-cards...


that's a possibility, but it's quite rare - if partner has some values and a stop, he'll often choose to bid NTs instead and he'll bid majors in preference to minors. if partner doesn't have a stop, responder will normally be raising and then partner's not going to volunteer his 4 card suit at the 3-level - he'll more likely make a responsive double with a decent hand.

still you'd be right in saying it's a flaw, but sometimes you have to choose the least of all evils. Consider this hand - you have 15 points and prospects for game so you have to make some action, but your diamond suit is terrible

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