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a day at the club #3

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Posted 2013-May-16, 00:09

View Post32519, on 2013-May-15, 23:20, said:

What system do you play? By bidding first and then the natural conclusion would be that you have 5X and 4X.


I think the question you should ask yourself is... what system do I play?, because what Zel plays is universal. Introducing new suits up the line is fine for forcing sequences, here we are raising partner's suits in a non forcing sequence.
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Posted 2013-May-17, 17:45

Rather than bid 2H, 2S or make a responsive double I would pass on the West cards. BIdding over 2C should show more than this.
On the auction hand, East will double again and maybe you'll get to play at the 2-level.
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Posted 2013-May-17, 17:52

View Post32519, on 2013-May-15, 23:20, said:

What system do you play? By bidding first and then the natural conclusion would be that you have 5X and 4X.


You are confusing two different auctions.
If partner opens 1C and you respond 1S, then bid 2H on the next round, you are showing 5 spades and 4 hearts (and a weak hand if partner's rebid was 1NT, say). That allows partner to pass 2H, or give preference to spades.
If you respond 1H on a 4-4, then partner can bid spades if he has them (unless you play a 1NT rebid is made on all balanced hands; then if responder is weak you miss your 4-4 fit anyway).
If you are weak and 4-4, you expect to pass partner's rebid.

The difference is that a 1M response to an opening bid is forcing; you bid your longest suit first to allow partner to pass your second suit or give preference.

After the auction starts 1C dbl 2C ? or 1C dbl P ? then, if you don't have enough to cue bid (to create a forcing auction), there are two differences: your 1-level or 2-level bids are non-forcing, and your partner has (in theory) shown support for both majors.
With partner implying support, you are now happy to bid both your 4-card suits if the opportunity arises. For example,

1C dbl P 1S;
2C P P 2H

this shows 4-4 in the majors. It allows partner to choose which major to play in at the 2-level.
If you bid 1H on the first round, and bid 2S on the next round then partner would have to give preference to 3H with, say, a 3-4-4-2 12-count which is not what you want.
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Posted 2013-May-18, 02:51

Yes I can do better because I'd play 2.
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