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a day at the club #3

#1 User is offline   Zelandakh 

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Posted 2013-May-15, 00:50

In round 2 you play against a pair of LOLs that you expect to see towards the tail end of the field. On the first hand you reach a nice 3 contract. Sadly, I misplayed this one - can you do better?

North leads CA (South gives the 4) and switches to the H3


Comments on the bidding welcome but we were happy with our auction. The focus of this is the play. I expect everyone here to get full marks to show me just how bad my line was.
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Posted 2013-May-15, 01:53

Problem looks like dummy entries; if I can keep S on lead I'll do OK. I put in the Q and win the trick in one hand or the other; I then lead the relevant hand's smallest diamond. What return do I get (and from whom?)
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Posted 2013-May-15, 01:56

View PostCamHenry, on 2013-May-15, 01:53, said:

Problem looks like dummy entries; if I can keep S on lead I'll do OK. I put in the Q and win the trick in one hand or the other; I then lead the relevant hand's smallest diamond. What return do I get (and from whom?)

You are West and the lead is coming from North.
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Posted 2013-May-15, 02:05

View PostZelandakh, on 2013-May-15, 01:56, said:

You are West and the lead is coming from North.


Argh, good point. Well, I'm playing the 5 here - I really want to lead that 7 from hand, and this seems the best way to do it. If I lose this trick, I have set up 3 tricks, and can probably get away with losing 1 in each suit (S can't lead trumps "safely", and weak oppo lead trumps insufficiently frequently). I don't expect S to have a long major or she'd have bid them, so I don't worry about an imminent heart ruff.
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Posted 2013-May-15, 02:35

View PostZelandakh, on 2013-May-15, 00:50, said:

In round 2 you play against a pair of LOLs that you expect to see towards the tail end of the field.
North leads CA (South gives the 4) and switches to the H3

You problem is entries into declarer's hand. If the LOL bit is accurate, chances are they underled the K. Let it run to declarer's queen. Should south actually hold the K, at least you have created an entry into the west hand. Additionally whatever west leads (excluding ) will help declarer. At whatever point declarer gets in, run the to the king, take the remaining tricks and cross-ruff the hand out. Don't even bother to draw trumps.
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Posted 2013-May-15, 05:23

I would let the heart run too and try a small diamond from hand. If lefty does not play the ace, she does not hold it, so I would play a medium diamond.
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Posted 2013-May-15, 05:27

Why no classic Responsive DBL by West ( instead of 2S ) ?
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Posted 2013-May-15, 05:37

A low heart from table gets the ten from South to your queen. If you play a diamond up now, LHO plays small. Roland's medium diamond gets the jack (on the ten) or the 9 (on the 8) and RHO returns 7.
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Posted 2013-May-15, 05:50

View PostTWO4BRIDGE, on 2013-May-15, 05:27, said:

Why no classic Responsive DBL by West ( instead of 2S ) ?

My partner and I play a simple system so if I have the possibility of keeping it simple I usually do (aside from situations we have agreeed/discussed). A double from me would probably have drawn 2 from her, and after that we get into something a little murky.
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Posted 2013-May-15, 06:11

Putting the K on the ; I have no objection to S being on lead. If she returns a trump, she takes the finesse; if a , I ruff in dummy then start ruffing ; if a , she picks the K for me.

Of course, if the K holds, I ruff a back to hand then take the finesse for the K. The risk is that N is 3415 or similar, but I find that out early enough to recover on this line.
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Posted 2013-May-15, 06:26

The K loses to the ace and the 7 still comes back, to North's king.
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Posted 2013-May-15, 07:10

View PostZelandakh, on 2013-May-15, 06:26, said:

The K loses to the ace and the 7 still comes back, to North's king.


I win the ace and ruff a diamond, ruff a club, ruff a second diamond, ruff a second club, then try cashing dummy's J. If this holds, I play a diamond pitching a .
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Posted 2013-May-15, 07:42

What led you to bid 2 anyway, versus 2 which has more texture?
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Posted 2013-May-15, 08:18

View PostCamHenry, on 2013-May-15, 07:10, said:

I win the ace and ruff a diamond, ruff a club, ruff a second diamond, ruff a second club, then try cashing dummy's J. If this holds, I play a diamond pitching a .

Everything goes according to plan until you try to cash the J. South ruffs in with the 8 and (I guess) will play the T into dummy's AQ. You have J /9/ - /J in hand and A/ - /T8 /- left with K7/ 6/ J /K9 left in the defenders' hands and 3 tricks lost. I think you are probably home now.

Making 3 would have been worth a cool 12/14 MPs, only losing to the North player who managed to go down 3 in 2NT. Even 3-1 was not too bad, scoring 8/12, much more than I felt I deserved.
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Posted 2013-May-15, 08:19

View Post32519, on 2013-May-15, 07:42, said:

What led you to bid 2 anyway, versus 2 which has more texture?

As a general rule you respond to a takeout double down the line, so as to allow you to show the second suit later if the opportunity arises.
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Posted 2013-May-15, 10:30

View PostZelandakh, on 2013-May-15, 08:19, said:

As a general rule you respond to a takeout double down the line, so as to allow you to show the second suit later if the opportunity arises.

Never heard of this before. To me it was always bid up the line. If you bypass anything then you don't have it. Bidding first would still allow east to bid and you have the strong hand as declarer.

Bidding your way would imply a stronger hand by west.
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Posted 2013-May-15, 10:32

Aren't you from Acol-land? What system was N/S playing anyway?
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Posted 2013-May-15, 10:36

No, if East bids 2S over 2H, he's showing a hand too strong to overcall in spades. At least if you bid 2S first, you can bid 3H if the opponents compete in clubs.
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Posted 2013-May-15, 14:16

I never know what to do with these sorts of hands. I just futz around and hope something good happens.

I let the heart run around and if I'm lucky enough to win HQ, I would just play a diamond up.

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Posted 2013-May-15, 23:20

View PostZelandakh, on 2013-May-15, 08:19, said:

As a general rule you respond to a takeout double down the line, so as to allow you to show the second suit later if the opportunity arises.

What system do you play? By bidding first and then the natural conclusion would be that you have 5X and 4X.
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