BBO Discussion Forums: ATB- imps - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

  • 2 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

ATB- imps missing 6S

Poll: ATB- imps (31 member(s) have cast votes)

Assign the blame

  1. 100% North (27 votes [87.10%])

    Percentage of vote: 87.10%

  2. 75% North, 25% South (2 votes [6.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.45%

  3. 50% each (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 25% North, 75% South (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 100% South (1 votes [3.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.23%

  6. Unlucky (1 votes [3.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.23%

Vote Guests cannot vote

#21 User is offline   FrancesHinden 

  • Limit bidder
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 8,482
  • Joined: 2004-November-02
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:England
  • Interests:Bridge, classical music, skiing... but I spend more time earning a living than doing any of those

Posted 2013-May-11, 02:40

We're all agreed that signing off over 4D was a very poor choice, North has a slam drive now.
But I don't mind the 2S bid on the first round so much. If you are in the 'double shows an opening hand with shortage in the opponent's suit and 4-4 in the majors' camp, then, yes, it's a game force.
However, many people now would double 1D on, say, AQx Qxxx xxx KQx. If you are a 'get in the auction at all costs' doubler, then 2S is plenty.
2

#22 User is offline   the hog 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,728
  • Joined: 2003-March-07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Laos
  • Interests:Wagner and Bridge

Posted 2013-May-11, 03:23

I really dislike the x by St, but as stated above, that is irrelevant. Nth underbid the hand badly the first time and ridiculously the second time. Nth 100%
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
0

#23 User is offline   Trinidad 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 4,531
  • Joined: 2005-October-09
  • Location:Netherlands

Posted 2013-May-11, 12:14

The problem is caused by North's choice of system. If South needs to double on every opening hand that is not a 1NT overcall, then North doesn't know that there is a spade fit. If South has a minimum opening with 5 hearts (e.g. AAxxxxKJxJxxx, where everybody else would overcall 1), South needs to double. Opposite such a hand 2 is indeed plenty enough.

The next problem arrives in the next round. North will think: "What the *&%$^$@ is 4?". He interprets it as a GF hand without direction -not as a slam try in spades, because the fit was not known- and he shows the fifth spade by bidding 4, hoping that there is a 5-3 fit.

So, the cause of the problem is that North plays an LOL system and South plays a system for players who understand bidding. You don't get good results by playing two different systems. If South would have been a genuine pro (the kind of player that gets paid to play well with LOLs) he would have played North's system. That means he would not have bid 4, he would have bid 5. There is no guarantee that North would have bid the slam (scary without asking for aces), but that would have been the best shot.

So, North is 100% to blame for refusing to learn what a take-out double and an overcall show. South could have done better if he would have fully understood the implications of North's horrible system. But I think it is cruel to first ask South to play such a system and then blame him when this system causes a bad result.

I hope South got paid very well.

Rik
I want my opponents to leave my table with a smile on their face and without matchpoints on their score card - in that order.
The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the new discoveries, is not “Eureka!” (I found it!), but “That’s funny…” – Isaac Asimov
The only reason God did not put "Thou shalt mind thine own business" in the Ten Commandments was that He thought that it was too obvious to need stating. - Kenberg
0

  • 2 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users