[lmilne]

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In my partnership we play 2♥ by opener showing 6+♥ and 2♠ as 4+♠ without any extras necessary, and no minorwood/kickback later in the auction, so auctions using those agreements (if you want to) would be much appreciated but any thoughts are welcome as always!

[gnasher]

1♥-2♦
2♥-3♦
5♣-6♦

or, if 5♣ is Exclusion

1♥-2♦
2♥-3♦
5♣-5♠
6♦

Edit: The Exclusion auction is a bit risky, because a 5♥ response would leave us poorly placed.

This post has been edited by gnasher: 2013-March-25, 04:42

[dake50]

Lucky your 3D rebid promises top-heavy diamonds and little/no club honors.
Try Sxxx, HJ, QJxxxxx, CAKQ.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

lmilne, on 2013-March-25, 00:00, said:

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My homegrown system for 1H openers and a 2/1 GF :

1H - 2D!
2H ( a minimum open, may have 4 cards S )
..... 2S! ( asks )
??
..2NT = no 4s
.. 3C = 4s/5h, stiff ♣
.. 3D = 4s/5h, stiff ♦
.. 3H = 4s/6+h, stiff or void somewhere
.. 3S = 4 5 2 2

After:
3H - 3S! ( asks shortness )
??
.. 4C = stiff ♣
.. 4D = stiff ♦
..3NT = void somewhere

After:
3NT! - 4C! ( asks where is void ? )
??
4D = ♦ void
4H = ♣ void

After:
4H - 6D

[gnasher]

dake50, on 2013-March-25, 05:51, said:

Lucky your 3D rebid promises top-heavy diamonds and little/no club honors.
Try Sxxx, HJ, QJxxxxx, CAKQ.

That's 14 cards, but if it's supposed to be 3163 it wouldn't occur to me to bid 3♦.

[FrancesHinden]

dake50, on 2013-March-25, 05:51, said:

Lucky your 3D rebid promises top-heavy diamonds and little/no club honors.
Try Sxxx, HJ, QJxxxxx, CAKQ.

Yes, that's exactly what a 3D rebid should show. A good suit.

[gszes]

1h
2d
2h easy since your system shows 6+
3d denying 4 spades and a reason to feat nt
3s "stuff" in spades nothing much in clubs
4d cant bid 3n no where else decent to go

If this is a standard 2/1 auction openers hand has become so huge
i think i would just bid 6c inviting p to bid 7d with extras. If this is more
of an sayc 2d bid i would bid 4c now to show p slam interest (also
leaving them room to bid 4h with a heart honor if they have no slam
interest) since they have 7dia I imagine they will bid 4s you can now bid
5c to show first round control and an easy 6d will be reached.

[fromageGB]

Would 4♣ after 2♥ be taken as a cue bid agreeing diamonds? And you bid 1st or 2nd round controls? Then I think
1♥ 2♦
2♥ 3♦
4♣ 4♦
4♥ 4♠
4NT 5♥
6♦
is reasonable.

[gnasher]

fromageGB, on 2013-March-27, 05:58, said:

Would 4♣ after 2♥ be taken as a cue bid agreeing diamonds? And you bid 1st or 2nd round controls? Then I think
1♥ 2♦
2♥ 3♦
4♣ 4♦
4♥ 4♠
4NT 5♥
6♦
is reasonable.

Couldn't you be missing two aces on this bidding? Responder could have Kxx x KQJxxx Axx, for example.

[fromageGB]

gnasher, on 2013-March-27, 06:39, said:

Couldn't you be missing two aces on this bidding? Responder could have Kxx x KQJxxx Axx, for example.

You have given responder the ♦Q, and I would have thought the response to 4NT would have been 5♠.
Removing the Q from your hand gives a diamond holding of ♦KJxxxx with a Q elsewhere, and then I would argue that 3♦ was not a good bid.

Maybe I am inventing a bidding sequence to suit this hand and not others! As I said, reasonable, maybe not perfect.

[han]

True Andy, although you would also get to 6 on your exclusion auction. I like your 5C splinter auction best, but I must admit that I typically play this as exclusion.

For what it is worth I prefer rebidding 2S instead of 2H, even if 2H promises 6 (which I usually don't play). For example the auction 1H - 2D - 2S - 3D - 4C gives a much better picture of your hand than 1H - 2D - 2H - 3D - 4C. In the first auction responder can guess the short clubs (although with AQxx AKxxx Qx Kx I would bid the same).

If responder has a Kxx x AKxxx Qxxx then a nice start of the auction might be:

1H - 2D
2S - 2NT
3H - 3S
4D

where 3S shows doubt and 4D is natural. Not sure what responder should bid here or even what the best contract is.

I am surprised to see that nobody has even mentioned the 2S rebid.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

lmilne, on 2013-March-25, 00:00, said:

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han, on 2013-March-27, 06:44, said:

I am surprised to see that nobody has even mentioned the 2S rebid.

Part of my 'homegrown' system is to use the 2S rebid by Opener to show "extras" with 4 cards ♠.
Opener here has here has only 12 hcp and was the reason I chose my "minimum" 2H rebid option in post #4 .

However, with the ♣-void and 3 card ♦-support, one might choose the 2s rebid option:
South
1H - 2D ( 2/1 GF )
2S - 3D
3H - 3S
4D - Now what??
..... - 4H! ( 1st step = concern about slam... could be missing a Ctrl or 2 )
..... [ the next 4 steps would be "positive" and RKC showing ]
5C ( 1st Rnd Ctrl ... does this help? )
..... - 6D ( yes )

This post has been edited by TWO4BRIDGE: 2013-March-27, 09:10

[han]

Perhaps you would open 1C to show 6+ hearts in your homegrown system but I don't see why that might be interesting to anybody but you. Lmilne has specified his or her system.

[aguahombre]

han, on 2013-March-27, 14:51, said:

Lmilne has specified his or her system.

Exactly. As per his system the 2S rebid shows 4 of them and doesn't show extra strength or deny 6H. So, with his system and Han's suggestion of the 2S rebid:

1H-2D
2S-3D
3H-3S
4D. Now perhaps Responder can figure out the club shortness in opener's hand and proceed.

[han]

Opener shouldn't bid 3H in you auction auquhombre. Now 4D sounds like a 4-6-2-1 distribution.

[lmilne]

I'm glad we got to the discussion on what the first rebid should be. I wasn't sure, but on reflection auctions that start 1H-2D-2S generally give a much more descriptive sequence.

I rebid 2H at the table on the logic that partner could bid 2S over that and life would be easier, but partner bid 2S on this hand (as a semi-natural sort of probe) and things got very difficult after that. We now have the agreement that 4-6 rebids 2S unless there is some very compelling reason not to.

I was thinking:
1♥-2♦;
2♠-3♦;
4♣/4♦ now give responder a very good picture of opener's hand type. Thoughts?

[TWO4BRIDGE]

han, on 2013-March-27, 14:51, said:

Perhaps ...... in your homegrown system, but I don't see why that might be interesting to anybody but you. Lmilne has specified his or her system.

lmilne, on 2013-March-25, 00:00, said:

...... so auctions using those agreements (if you want to) would be much appreciated, but any thoughts are welcome as always!

[TWO4BRIDGE]

han, on 2013-March-28, 00:59, said:

Opener shouldn't bid 3H in you auction auquhombre. Now 4D sounds like a 4-6-2-1 distribution.

Here is another auction ( from about 8 yrs ago by a good Polish player) where the poster has Responder suppress a ♦-rebid ( showing 5+ ) in favor of a 2NT rebid to allow Opener show ♣-"shortness" at the 3-level on his 3rd bid ( implying 3 card ♦-support; whereas a 3D 3rd bid by Opener would show 4 card ♦ - -ie 4 5 4 0 ):

1H - 2D!
2S - 2NT
3C! - 3D ( 5+♦ )
3H ( implying 4 6 3 0 ) - ?? 6D

[han]

Two4bridge, I understand very little of your last two post. Are you in your first post suggesting that there are other people that are interesting in your homegrown system? In your last post, are you reacting to my post? I don't see the relationship with what you wrote and what is in your quote of my post. I am also very doubtful that a direct 3D rebid by the good Polish player would have shown only 5 diamonds. And when you write imply, do you mean show?

[aguahombre]

I think post #17 was letting us know the OP welcomes input from outside his given methods...a point I had missed.