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Retarded doubles are for penalty? Sorry, gwnn, for misapplying your law

Poll: Retarded doubles are for penalty? (17 member(s) have cast votes)

Which hands (more than one choice possible) is possible?

  1. 2533 15-count (8 votes [15.38%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 15.38%

  2. 4333 11-count (2 votes [3.85%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  3. 4243 10-count (5 votes [9.62%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.62%

  4. 4144 9-count (7 votes [13.46%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.46%

  5. 4045 8-count (7 votes [13.46%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.46%

  6. 4225 13-count with bad clubs (2 votes [3.85%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  7. 4315 13-count with bad clubs (2 votes [3.85%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  8. 4405 13-count with bad clubs (5 votes [9.62%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.62%

  9. 0445 13-count with bad club (4 votes [7.69%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

  10. 3055 9-count (5 votes [9.62%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.62%

  11. Something completely different (5 votes [9.62%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.62%

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Posted 2013-March-24, 19:59

When I played a lot of online bridge I discussed it with my pd (after some disaster in 1H p 4H p p d sequence). We estabslihed that dbl is t/o if they bid and jump raise hearts and penalty if their suit is spades.
My opinion is that it doesn't matter much :)
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Posted 2013-March-25, 16:13

I play this double for take out.

Perhaps penalty advocates expect agressive preempts and raises from opponents. Such as opening weak 2 with 5 cards or raising with Hx. But this work other way arround too. Suppose your pd has a lot of values but did not act due to his heart length over 3

In principle, whenever i am on pass out seat, i feel i have an obligation to reconsider the situation. Opponents have a fit and they stayed in partscore, i have a perfect take out double shape but i could not act previous round because i am too weak for this.

ATxx
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Jxxx
QTxx

Who knows maybe pd has something similar to

KJxx
QJx
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AJxxx

I know my example is optimistic, but i don't think making a delayed t/o double can go wrong in the long run, with perfect t/o shapes in this situation, for various reasons. It also takes a lot of pressure off from our pd, who otherwise would feel that it is his last chance to make a move after 3, with a lot of flawed hands, and will have to make an early choice.
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