[mikl_plkcc]

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6NT makes if ♣s break 2-2, however if they break 3-1 and the ♣Q does not drop, even 3NT will be in danger since South is nearly entryless. If ♣s are trumps, again, if the ♣Q drops, there is a slam. If it does not drop, the slam makes when a finesse in either ♠ or ♦ is successful since the extra winner can cover a loser in ♥s. However, if the finesse fails, the opponents are able to draw the ♥ loser immediately. 5♣ is cold in this case.

What contract will you bid and how will you bid it? If North deals, 1♠ is opened; if South deals, 4♣ is opened.

[the_clown]

Slam is good, but far cold. I wouldnt mind to be in it, but I wouldnt worry too much if I missed it and it happens to make.

If South opens 4C, North has an easy raise to 5.

If North opens 1♠, we would bid 3♣-natural invitational and North will probably settle for 3NT. I see no sensible way to get to the much better 5♣ in our methods.

[mikl_plkcc]

the_clown, on 2013-February-11, 06:55, said:

Slam is good, but far cold. I wouldnt mind to be in it, but I wouldnt worry too much if I missed it and it happens to make.

If South opens 4C, North has an easy raise to 5.

If North opens 1♠, we would bid 3♣-natural invitational and North will probably settle for 3NT. I see no sensible way to get to the much better 5♣ in our methods.

1♠ - 3♣? Jump shift?! What does your 2♣ mean then?

[the_clown]

mikl_plkcc, on 2013-February-11, 09:17, said:

1♠ - 3♣? Jump shift?! What does your 2♣ mean then?

For me 2♣ would be Gameforcing, playing 2/1.

[ArtK78]

the_clown, on 2013-February-11, 06:55, said:

If North opens 1♠, we would bid 3♣-natural invitational and North will probably settle for 3NT. I see no sensible way to get to the much better 5♣ in our methods.

How about bidding 5♣? I bet that gets you there.

3NT should be fine if partner has at least 2 clubs. But there is no way of knowing that, so I don't take the chance that the clubs are running.

Besides, if clubs are running, you may make a slam. I think the chances that you will go plus in 5♣ are better than in 3NT, and your 5♣ bid may not end the auction if partner has the right hand.

[the_clown]

ArtK78, on 2013-February-11, 10:58, said:

How about bidding 5♣? I bet that gets you there.

3NT should be fine if partner has at least 2 clubs. But there is no way of knowing that, so I don't take the chance that the clubs are running.

Besides, if clubs are running, you may make a slam. I think the chances that you will go plus in 5♣ are better than in 3NT, and your 5♣ bid may not end the auction if partner has the right hand.

Well partner doesnt really an 8 card suit for his 3♣ bid. A typical hand would be xx Qxx Ax KJ10xxx.

[lamford]

the_clown, on 2013-February-11, 06:55, said:

I see no sensible way to get to the much better 5♣ in our methods.

I see no sensible way to get to the inferior 3NT in our methods. I would just bid 5C over 1S, and hope partner does not think it is Exclusion Blackwood.

[ArtK78]

the_clown, on 2013-February-11, 06:55, said:

Slam is good, but far cold. I wouldnt mind to be in it, but I wouldnt worry too much if I missed it and it happens to make.

If South opens 4C, North has an easy raise to 5.

If North opens 1♠, we would bid 3♣-natural invitational and North will probably settle for 3NT. I see no sensible way to get to the much better 5♣ in our methods.

Natural invitational 3♣ on AK eighth of clubs and a side Q (admittedly a singleton Q, but still a Q)? What do you need to force to game?

Sorry I didn't mention this in my prior post.

Most players are willing to play in an 8 card fit, even more so when all 8 are in the same hand.

[Cyberyeti]

Our auction:

1♠-2♣(10+ ish not GF)
2N(15+ GF not necessarily balanced)-3♣(at least 5)
3♥(nat)-4♣(now a suit playable opposite a singleton)
4♦(KC)-4N(2 without)
6♣(looks like AK 8th or AK 7th and a card)

[aguahombre]

May we ignore the part in the OP about the club queen dropping?

[PhilKing]

1♠-5♣-6♣.