[mike777]

J8765...3...AJ8....QT64

(1C)=?

No one Vul.


Would you overcall with this type of hand?

If not what would your minimum overcall look like?

[the hog]

Is this a trick question? Of course this is worth 1S.

[aguahombre]

Yes, 1S. And I am not known as an "always must be doing something" bidder.

[mike777]

the hog, on 2013-February-06, 18:15, said:

Is this a trick question? Of course this is worth 1S.

Not a trick question, arises out of Mike Lawrence's new revised book on balancing that I am currently reading.

[JLOGIC]

I would bid NV and pass vul

[aguahombre]

mike777, on 2013-February-06, 18:22, said:

Not a trick question, arises out of Mike Lawrence's new revised book on balancing that I am currently reading.

Interesting. I wonder how "balancing" will get involved, since this is not a balancing question. Lawrence is not a "wait and do something later" person like Al Roth was.

[mike777]

aguahombre, on 2013-February-06, 18:39, said:

Interesting. I wonder how "balancing" will get involved, since this is not a balancing question. Lawrence is not a "wait and do something later" person like Al Roth was.

page 181 "This hand is not worth overcalling on"

The reason I brought this up was a series of these NV type hands where Mike said not to overcall on, later pard will balance.

p.170
both nv

(1C)=?



K87...QJ8....QJ875....97

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There are other examples if you dont like this last one.

[the hog]

mike777, on 2013-February-06, 18:51, said:

page 181 "This hand is not worth overcalling on"

The reason I brought this up was a series of these NV type hands where Mike said not to overcall on, later pard will balance.

p.170
both nv

(1C)=?



K87...QJ8....QJ875....97

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There are other examples if you dont like this last one.

You cannot possibly compare this hand and the original hand. I don't think anyone here would overcall on this. What is the point? The first hand takes away a 1D and 1H response.

[mike777]

the hog, on 2013-February-06, 19:13, said:

You cannot possibly compare this hand and the original hand. I don't think anyone here would overcall on this. What is the point? The first hand takes away a 1D and 1H response.

ok but still I thought I do indeed compare the two but here is another one for you, see how you feel about this one?

unfav vul

(1c)=?

Q8765...KQ3...q8...kj4

or

maybe this one is a bit closer to discuss:

no one vul:\
(1D)=?

KQJT7,,,3.....T765....J98

OR
NO ONE VUL

(1h)==?

Q7543...QJ3...AJ...J54

[the hog]

1) 1S
2) 2S at favourable, else 1S
3) 1S

[aguahombre]

IMO, 3) is a lot closer to a pass than the OP hand.

I respectfully disagree with Mr. Hog about 2)

[655321]

the hog, on 2013-February-06, 19:13, said:

mike777, on 2013-February-06, 18:51, said:

p.170
both nv

(1C)=?



K87...QJ8....QJ875....97

I don't think anyone here would overcall on this. What is the point?

I would overcall 1♦ because it gets us into the auction, partner may be able to raise, or bid a new suit, or make a takeout double, lots of good things can happen.

Now hog, your level of expertise makes you well qualified to give an opinion on what you personally would bid, I am not so sure that it qualifies you to give an opinion on what anyone else would bid!

[aguahombre]

655321, on 2013-February-06, 21:10, said:

Now hog, your level of expertise makes you well qualified to give an opinion on what you personally would bid, I am not so sure that it qualifies you to give an opinion on what anyone else would bid!

Welcome back. And, ouch!! You haven't changed the style which endeared you to the elite and aggrevated others.

[the hog]

aguahombre, on 2013-February-06, 22:25, said:

Welcome back. And, ouch!! You haven't changed the style which endeared you to the elite and aggrevated others.

Hardly "ouch". I ignore posts by the numeric one. When I want his/her sort of response, I flush a toilet.

[Zelandakh]

mike777, on 2013-February-06, 18:09, said:

J8765...3...AJ8....QT64
(1C)=?
No one Vul.

I think this is quite close. I would definitely overcall at Love All but equally definitely pass at Game All. The other coolours os to some extent a matter of style imho. How much do you want your overcalls to direct a lead/be constructive and how much merely to obstruct?

mike777, on 2013-February-06, 18:51, said:

both nv
(1C)=?
K87...QJ8....QJ875....97

A wise person once said that to overcall 1♣ with 1♦ you should either have a good hand or a good suit or both. This hand has neither - if we can make something then partner will act.

mike777, on 2013-February-06, 19:18, said:

unfav vul
(1c)=?
Q8765...KQ3...q8...kj4

I would overcall on this one. The general strength of the hand makes up for the spade suit.

mike777, on 2013-February-06, 19:18, said:

no one vul:\
(1D)=?
KQJT7,,,3.....T765....J98

1♠ on this one too, although 2♠ is an option and I would also choose it if partner had passed in front of the Opener.

mike777, on 2013-February-06, 19:18, said:

NO ONE VUL
(1h)==?
Q7543...QJ3...AJ...J54

Yuck, balanced hand, a bad suit, no preemptive value, soft values, QJx in their suit. Everything screams Pass on this hand. Perhaps at MP we should stick our nose in now to give partner the chance to compete to 2♠...perhaps. It is surely anti-percentage to bid at IMPs or any other vulnerability though.

[fromageGB]

To me, overcalling 1♠ on J8765 3 AJ8 QT54 is a step too far, as partner will expect a stronger hand, so may bid too high, and will happily underlead a K in defence. Make the J into a Q and then yes. Without the Q, it gains slightly from the obstruction point of view, but loses too much.

The hand would make me consider overcalling 2♠ more than 1♠. It is a question of partner's expectation and style, I suppose.

[aguahombre]

Qtxx behind opener's suit is like a magnet to me. Factor in Alzheimers, and I can not recall a bad result from aggressive action in this situation.

[blackshoe]

LOL! Good one, Agua!