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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2013-February-04, 04:25

AJ7
AK876
AK
874

nobody vul, MPS

1-1
1NT-2 (xyz gf, no further agreements)
2


What would be your next 2/3 bids?, for the shake of it assume partner will do the following (althou not true for all sequences) the next rounds:

Bid 3 if avaible next
Bid 3NT otherwise over 3M (3NT natural, no serious or non serious)
Bid 4 over 4m

1NT denies 4 spades, but if you can't live with it assume it didn't
2 if it matters denied semi-solid hearts or any 5-5


So do you reach the 5 level? how?
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Posted 2013-February-04, 05:14

Maybe it is a good option to bid 2 for the advance cuebid.
But normally for this hand,I definitely rebid 3 to tell my partner that Please start cuebid for a slam try.
After 3:
1-if opener bid 3,I will bid 5 to ask pd:Do you have a second control in ?
2-if opener rebid 4,it is a sound news and then I will bid 4nt .
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Posted 2013-February-04, 06:34

Maybe it is a good option to bid 2 for the advance cuebid.
But normally for this hand,I definitely rebid 3 to tell my partner that Please start cuebid for a slam try.
After 3:
1-if opener bid 3,I will bid 5 to ask pd:Do you have a second control in ?
2-if opener rebid 4,it is a sound news and then I will bid 4nt .

*** You can at best hope for a 3C Q-bid. Now if partner has CA; later with CK.
You ARE looking at 3xA!
Or some C-splinter: singleton or void?
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Posted 2013-February-04, 06:59

I start with 3 to set trumps. Partner apparently bids 3NT, suggesting to play there. That must mean he has good stoppers in spades and clubs. QTx would not be a particularily good stopper so I'll assume his failure to bid 3 did not deny the K. On the contrary I expect him to have both the K and at least K so I'll just bid RKCB and go to 6 if he has A or Q. If he has both then I will do some more thinking.
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Posted 2013-February-04, 07:22

Opener may even have K QJxxx QJx A

Not sure about the best action. What will be 2NT here?
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Posted 2013-February-04, 07:28

3-3NT
4-4
4

and then:
- If he bids 5, I pass
- If he bids 5, I bid 5, planning to pass 5. By this stage I'll have shown AK, a top spade, and hearts which are good enough for me to want to play in them despite his 3NT bid. He should be fairly well placed to choose the final contract, but if he asks me I'll choose 6NT.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2013-February-04, 08:45

I'd bid 4NT over 3NT, I don't think that this asks for keycards.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2013-February-04, 09:31

View Posthan, on 2013-February-04, 08:45, said:

I'd bid 4NT over 3NT, I don't think that this asks for keycards.

I like this sequence, 3-3NT;-4NT non-forcing
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Posted 2013-February-04, 21:19

View Posthan, on 2013-February-04, 08:45, said:

I'd bid 4NT over 3NT, I don't think that this asks for keycards.

Why would you not want to ask for key cards ?

I like lucier's 3H ( after Opener's 2H ) asking for cuebids ... ( post # 2 ) .
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Posted 2013-February-04, 22:03

View PostFluffy, on 2013-February-04, 04:25, said:

AJ7
AK876
AK
874

nobody vul, MPS

1-1
1NT-2 (xyz gf, no further agreements)
2


What would be your next 2/3 bids?, for the shake of it assume partner will do the following (althou not true for all sequences) the next rounds:

Bid 3 if avaible next
Bid 3NT otherwise over 3M (3NT natural, no serious or non serious)
Bid 4 over 4m

1NT denies 4 spades, but if you can't live with it assume it didn't
2 if it matters denied semi-solid hearts or any 5-5


So do you reach the 5 level? how?




3h let us set trumps and slam try across from pards known 11-13.

clearly we show extras across from 11-13 to try for slam.


Now easy 4h if pard cannot cue clubs.

If pard rebids 3nt I will bid 4h a clear deny of clubs but still showing a huge hand across 11-13 bal.

Not sure why this should be a hard auction.


KQX....QXX.....QJXX....QJX
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Posted 2013-February-05, 02:40

View PostTWO4BRIDGE, on 2013-February-04, 21:19, said:

Why would you not want to ask for key cards ?

Because slam is awful opposite Qxx Qxx Jxxx AKx and excellent opposite Qxx QJx QJxx KQJ.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2013-February-05, 04:49

View Postmike777, on 2013-February-04, 22:03, said:


If pard rebids 3nt I will bid 4h a clear deny of clubs but still showing a huge hand across 11-13 bal.

Not sure why this should be a hard auction.


KQX....QXX.....QJXX....QJX

Maybe because playing notrump instead of hearts opposite such a hand swings as many matchpoints (or even more) than deciding on the slam issue correctly?
But few people apparently understand matchpoints

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Posted 2013-February-05, 04:55

actually after a direct 3 there is no way partner bids 3NT, he will cuebid spades. the 3NT bid made sense only after a delayed 3.
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Posted 2013-February-05, 08:22

I'd just bid 3 setting trumps, asking partner to start cuebidding. This way I can deny the cue and let partner decide if he wants to continue for slam.
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Posted 2013-February-05, 08:41

If you haven't recognized, it is hand 1 here: http://www.aebridge....0by%20table.pdf


I had an awful sequence that ended up in 3NT, but 3NT proved much better than 6 and 6NT, even 5 pairs managed to go down in 6!

AJx
AK8xx
AK
87x

Kx
J109
J9xxxx
AK


on a 10 lead (might have the queen) I took the ace, and obviously aimed at 490. I played what I think its best, taunt with J and overtake, cashing AK and when they proved to be 3-2, cash AK before coming back to hand with K and conceding a diamond. This way at least hearts are tested and when a club comes back you know what to pitch from dummy while running diamonds, and might act as a viena coup.


But this was the last rond against Castellani-Di Franco, not sure who was at my left, but when he won Q tanked forever and finally played a spade breaking my squeeze. I finesed and got 430 wich didn't really matter compared to 460


Our dreadful sequence:

1-1
1NT-2
2-2NT
3-3
3NT-pass
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Posted 2013-February-05, 13:36

Pro tip: Play that 2S sets hearts, you save a lot of room that way and lose basically nothing.
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Posted 2013-February-05, 13:46

View PostJLOGIC, on 2013-February-05, 13:36, said:

Pro tip: Play that 2S sets hearts, you save a lot of room that way and lose basically nothing.


I realize now that some people bid 1N with 4342 and then bid 2H. If you are one of those people then I guess you lose something since responder could be 4-4 GF. Still, over 2N partner will presumably bid 3S with 4342 and you can still back into spades so I think it is still worthwhile to play it. You could even play 3H over 2H shows 4 spades and just flip the bids, now you have gained a lot of space when you have hearts but lost nothing when you have spades (since it would go 2S 3S).
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