[kgr]

MPs

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What do you open? How do you rank following options:
- 1S
- 2-suiter GF, with better ♠ than ♣: 3♥-3♠-3NT=♠ and ♣ (this is better ♠ then ♣, because 2NT-3C-3S is 2-suiter ♣-♠
- GF ♠: 2♦ multi-2♥-3♠

[mikeh]

Wrong forum: put it in the non-natural section.

I'm an expert, or so I like to think, and I have never played nor played against the options that you are asking us to consider instead of the pedestrian 1♠.

It seems to me that one cannot really answer your question without at least some experience of or discussion concerning how the auction goes, after your more esoteric beginnings, should the opps be rude enough to bid, especially the multi type.

Gadgets that work magnificently when the opps promise to stay out sometimes run onto the rocks when the opps disrupt, even if you have good agreements....and I can't recall how often I've seen players get into a nightmare scenario when confronted with an enemy action they either hadn't discussed or about which one of them forgets the agreement. I remember collecting 2300 once in our national team trial on such an event, admittedly against one of the weaker teams in the field.

[kgr]

mikeh, on 2013-February-01, 17:15, said:

Wrong forum: put it in the non-natural section.

I'm an expert, or so I like to think, and I have never played nor played against the options that you are asking us to consider instead of the pedestrian 1♠.

It seems to me that one cannot really answer your question without at least some experience of or discussion concerning how the auction goes, after your more esoteric beginnings, should the opps be rude enough to bid, especially the multi type.

Gadgets that work magnificently when the opps promise to stay out sometimes run onto the rocks when the opps disrupt, even if you have good agreements....and I can't recall how often I've seen players get into a nightmare scenario when confronted with an enemy action they either hadn't discussed or about which one of them forgets the agreement. I remember collecting 2300 once in our national team trial on such an event, admittedly against one of the weaker teams in the field.

Thanks for the answer mikeh.
The question comes from a discussion of another pair at the bar.
One person of that pair opened 2♦, to show a GF with ♠. The other person said that he should have shown the 2-suiter with better ♠ then ♣.
I said that ♠ are so good that I would treat it as single suiter, but would rather open 1♠ and bid it slowly (hoping to get DBLed at MPs).
So if you can choose (to eliminate possible opps preempts):
- 3♠=GF with ♠
- 3NT=GF with ♠&♣; better ♠ then ♣
- 1♠
=> How would you order these choices?

[Fluffy]

1♠ for me because I feel more comfortable under situations where I have experience. (under known ground we say in spannish)

I know I've said this before, but it remains true, 7-5 hands are not about description, they are about researching.

We need 3 keycards for grand slam, with club doubleton being a possible switch for one. The things we wanna know:

-Partner's spade lenght
-Partner's club holding
-♥A allocation.

♠A allocation is obviously also imprtant but I expect to kearn about it and/or ♥A at the same time if I have enough luck to ask.

My plan if there is a miracle and oponents stay silent would be to start with 1♠ and then 3♣, if partner is kind enough to support clubs then use exclusion, if not, bid 4♣ over 3♠ and hope to hear 4♦, over 3NT bid just bid 5♠ and hope partner guesses right or opponents lead wrong.

[rmnka447]

I'd probably open 1 ♠, but would certainly give opening a strong 2 ♣ a lot of thought before doing so. This hand makes 4 ♠ a great deal of the time with virtually nothing in partner's hand.

As Fluffy points out, it's more about determining if partner has the values for slam or not.

[Zelandakh]

2♣ is soemthing of a joke, no? Take the auction

2♣ - (3♦) - P - (6♥), where 3♦ showed the red suits. Do you feel you need to take out insurance against 6♥ making now? Or are you comfortable making a FP and sitting partner's double? We have a 7-5 hand for goodness sakes, let's at least get one suit into the auction. With this shape and 13hcp there is very little danger of this getting passed out.

Edit: I thought I should perhaps add that this hand may well qualify for a MisIry bid. The poster with by far the most experience of making decisions like this is Ben (inquiry). If he does not reply here then I suggest giving him a PM. If anyone can tell you the best way of handling this hand in the methods then it is probably him.