[Zelandakh]

the_clown, on 2013-January-26, 05:55, said:

Passing with a 7 count is very pesimistic if you ask me......

If you think passing is pessimistic on that auction, what is it on:

Kungsgeten, on 2013-January-26, 06:09, said:

pass (0-7 or 17+) - 1C (0-7 or 17+);
1S (4+ spades, unbal may have longer side suit, 17-19 hcp) - 1NT (relay);
2D (4 spades, 5+ diamonds).

Here north will have to choose between making an INV bid (perhaps 2NT) or passing.

where South has shown 17-19?


As for my auction, well I can give two. My first thought was

1♦ = 10-17, 4+ diamonds, unbal
... - 1NT = weak, 4+ hearts, not 4+ spades
2NT = max, 3 hearts

where North takes a chance on the spade suit for want of a better alternative. The trouble with this auction is that 2NT is usually only bid with 6 diamonds on this auction. So better I think is

1♦ = (9)10-17, 4+ diamonds, unbal
... - 1NT = weak, 4+ hearts, not 4+ spades
2♠ = natural, max
... - 3♣ = diamonds
3♦

even though the final contract is worse. I cannot stop in 2NT on this auction because it is artificial. End result: 3♦(S).

[Free]

hrothgar, on 2013-January-25, 19:43, said:

I suspect that the MOSCITO auction would go

1♣ - 1♥ 1♥ = semi positive, balanced or three suited or unbalanced with no 5+ card major
1N - P 1N = 15-17 balanced

How do you play 1♣-1♥-2♦ these days? I know modern versions play something like Multi-Landy, so there's not much left other than to bid 1NT ofcourse. However, if 2♦ was natural, I'd probably bid it.

[JLOGIC]

1c 1d
1s 2c (6 or 7 without 3s)
2d 2s (weak relay denies 4h, 2 spades and less than 5h)
3d p

Ugly

[dake50]

1C-1D-
1S-1N-....... 16+,4+S .......... 5-7, no likey Sp
2D-2H. ...... 5+D,no like NT ....4+H
............. 3+H, 16-18 so quit.

[Mbodell]

4♥ N at the table with tosr (possibly 3nt or 2♥N by system?)

1♣-1♦ : any 16+; 0-7 or occ 8+ with <2 ctls
2♦-2♥ : nat, not forcing; good hand in context with 4+ (often 5) H
3♥-4♥ : fit for H, and not terrible in context; game

Probably I should bid 3nt choice of game instead of 4♥ and partner probably passes that. Possibly partner should pass 2♥ given the minimal hand.

[straube]

Kungsgeten, on 2013-January-26, 06:09, said:

Pass 2000
South will have a choice between showing the hand as 12-16 unbal or 17+. Here's both auctions:

1C (12-16 unbal or 15-17 bal) - 1D (0-7 or game forcing);
2S (12-16, 4 spades and 5+ diamonds or 4-0-4-5) - 3C (pass or correct, in case partner has 4-0-4-5);
3D

pass (0-7 or 17+) - 1C (0-7 or 17+);
1S (4+ spades, unbal may have longer side suit, 17-19 hcp) - 1NT (relay);
2D (4 spades, 5+ diamonds).

Here north will have to choose between making an INV bid (perhaps 2NT) or passing.

Putting you down for 2N.

[straube]

rbforster, on 2013-January-26, 08:29, said:

Would people agree on the standard 2/1 auction? My guess is:

1♦-1♥
1♠-1N
2♥-P

where 2H shows extras. Not sure if this is enough extras to show, or whether standard players might drop it in 1N. Guessing they should bid again over 1N in general, if not this time.

That's how I would bid it.

[straube]

dake50, on 2013-January-26, 13:22, said:

1C-1D-
1S-1N-....... 16+,4+S .......... 5-7, no likey Sp
2D-2H. ...... 5+D,no like NT ....4+H
............. 3+H, 16-18 so quit.

If I read this right the 1N bid doesn't deny 5+ hearts. I think North's 2H rebid doesn't make sense. 2N I could see...or support spades maybe, but to introduce a 4-cd suit after pd has shown two suits shows too much direction. What do you and others think?

[nige1]

straube, on 2013-January-25, 19:22, said:

#17. You are South and Dealer. NV vs NV. Imps. Uncontested auction. This deal was played by local experts.

Jasmine ♣. Difficult to stop...
North ♠ Q5 ♥ KJ95 ♦ 97 ♣ J7643: __ 1♦ 2♣2N
South ♠ AKT4 ♥ Q83 ♦ AQJ54 ♣ 5: 1♣ 1N 2♠_Pass

• 1♣ = Art 16+.
• 1♦ = Art Neg 0-7.
• 1N = Nat 16-18 Flat?!
• 2♣ = Stayman.
  
• 2♠ = Nat 4 ♠.
• 2N = Nat.

Or, less likely..
North ♠ Q5 ♥ KJ95 ♦ 97 ♣ J7643: __ 1♦ 2N
South ♠ AKT4 ♥ Q83 ♦ AQJ54 ♣ 5: 1♣ 2♦ _P

• 1♣ = Art, 16+.
• 1♦ = Neg, 0-7.
• 2♦ = Nat NF. (1♠ and 1N both Nat, NF, are alternatives).
• 2N = Nat constructive. (2♥, 3♣, and 3N, all Nat, are also possible).
• _P = Nat Min

Or, in the light of Zelandakh's comments..
North ♠ Q5 ♥ KJ95 ♦ 97 ♣ J7643: __ 1♦ 2N
South ♠ AKT4 ♥ Q83 ♦ AQJ54 ♣ 5: 1♠

• 1♣ = Art, 16+
• 1♠ = Nat 4+ {SP]. Possible Canape (as here).
• 2♣ = Nat.
• 2♦ = Nat.
• 2N = Nat

Marks, IMO: 1N = 10. 2♥ = 9. 2♦ = 7. 3♥ = 6. 3♦ = 5. 2N = 4. 4♥ = 3. 3N = 2.

[straube]

Mbodell, on 2013-January-26, 17:20, said:

4♥ N at the table with tosr (possibly 3nt or 2♥N by system?)

1♣-1♦ : any 16+; 0-7 or occ 8+ with <2 ctls
2♦-2♥ : nat, not forcing; good hand in context with 4+ (often 5) H
3♥-4♥ : fit for H, and not terrible in context; game

Probably I should bid 3nt choice of game instead of 4♥ and partner probably passes that. Possibly partner should pass 2♥ given the minimal hand.

I'm going to put you down for 3H for the time being. If you or others feel that I've made a mistake, please say so...but if your system really allows for a 2H bid with a 4+ card suit then I think opener probably stretches to raise what could actually be a nice dummy and that's high enough. I can't see responder worth another bid.

[straube]

Free, on 2013-January-26, 02:43, said:

I'll have to check this with my partner, because I'm not sure if 2♦ is artificial F1 or natural NF:
1♣-1♦ (16+ ; 0-7 or GF 4441)
1♠-2♣ (4+♠ F1 ; 5-7 with 0-2♠)
2♦-pass (5+♦? NF?)

Free, have you talked to your partner yet? I think playing 2D as 5+ diamonds doesn't make a lot of sense and I've always seen it as a relay if 2C is artificial with 5-7 and 0-2 spades. I.e. the bid of 2D is too useful to be reserved for 5+ diamonds. What would opener do with 5S/4D? 5S/4C? Etc. I think Meckwell (who plays 2C similarly) would rebid 2S with the North hand (showing 2) and opener would probably retreat to 2N. Landing in a 5-2 spade fit is not a bad thing.

1C-1D
1S-2C
2D-2S
2N

rather than risk 3D. In my auction I did risk 3D but it was due to a lead directing double of 2C on my right. Ordinarily, I'd be with the group wanting to be in no trump.

Anyway, please post your final auction and explanation. Thanks.

[Kungsgeten]

straube, on 2013-January-26, 17:32, said:

Putting you down for 2N.

Put me down for 3D instead, since I think we would treat the hand as 12-16 and not 17+. It must be okay to be max sometimes

[Free]

straube, on 2013-January-27, 02:08, said:

Free, have you talked to your partner yet? I think playing 2D as 5+ diamonds doesn't make a lot of sense and I've always seen it as a relay if 2C is artificial with 5-7 and 0-2 spades. I.e. the bid of 2D is too useful to be reserved for 5+ diamonds. What would opener do with 5S/4D? 5S/4C? Etc. I think Meckwell (who plays 2C similarly) would rebid 2S with the North hand (showing 2) and opener would probably retreat to 2N. Landing in a 5-2 spade fit is not a bad thing.

1C-1D
1S-2C
2D-2S
2N

rather than risk 3D. In my auction I did risk 3D but it was due to a lead directing double of 2C on my right. Ordinarily, I'd be with the group wanting to be in no trump.

Anyway, please post your final auction and explanation. Thanks.

2♦ appears to be an artificial relay. It's the only option we have with a hand like this, and after 2♠ we'd bid 3♦ with the South hand because my values are in my suits which makes the hand suit-oriented.
1♣-1♦ (16+ any ; 0-7 any or GF 4441)
1♠-2♣ (4+♠ F1 ; 5-7 with 0-2♠)
2♦-2♠ (art relay ; 2♠)
3♦-pass (4♠ 5+♦ ; bleh)

[Zelandakh]

nige1, on 2013-January-26, 19:49, said:

Or, less likely..
1♣ - 1♦;
2♦ - 2N

I think
1♣ - 1♦;
2♦ - 2♥;
2♠ - 2NT looks like a better auction here. There is no reason why South could not be 3451 rather than 4351.

[nige1]

Zelandakh, on 2013-January-28, 03:10, said:

I think
1♣ - 1♦;
2♦ - 2♥;
2♠ - 2NT looks like a better auction here. There is no reason why South could not be 3451 rather than 4351.

Zealandakh is probably right I notice that JLOGIC also incorporates majors first Canapé into his 1♣ auctions

[qplus10]

1♣1♦(negative)
1♠(4+♠)3nt


good old 3nt again.

[jack502]

1♣1♥
2♦



1♥= semi positive bal,4441 or unbal no 5 card major
2d nat 15-18 5+ diamonds

[Lord Molyb]

This one is a little tricky for my system.

Molybdenum Forcing Pass System:

S ---- N
P --- 1♣ (opening hand, 0-bad 12)
1♥ --- 2♣ (15-18, 9- and more clubs than any major suit)
2♦ --- 2♥ (natural bids)
2♠ --- 2NT (natural, 7 to bad 8 invite)
P (barely not enough)

[CamHenry]

Unnamed Homebrew Diamond:
1♦-1♥ 16+, excluding GF / 0-7 any
2♦-2N Natural, usually 5+ cards, NF / top of range, balanced/semi-balanced
end

16 facing 6-7, and partner's got no real diamond fit? He suggests 2NT? Don't mind if I do. Of course, there's the possibility N decides to bid 2♥ instead, and I think S passes that as well.

[PrecisionL]

Upgraded Ultra Club Relay (C3)

1♣ - 1♦ -
1♠ = 4+ ♠ & Forcing - 2♣ = 0-2 ♠ & 5-7 hcp -
2♦ = canape 5+♦ - - -