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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2013-January-22, 18:14

Ops vul, IMPs
( 1 ♣ )-1♥-( pass )-1♠
( 2 ♣ )-2♦-(double)-3♣
(double)-rdbl-(pass)-3♥
(pass)


Paint a hand for partner.

Agreements on his first bid are: 2♣ cuebid 10+ normally with support, 1/1 4+ cards forcing, 2/1 NF constructive, fit jumps at all levels except splinter 4♣. Your redouble showed ♣A without supporting honnor.

opponet's doubles are penalty.
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Posted 2013-January-22, 20:08

View PostFluffy, on 2013-January-22, 18:14, said:

Ops vul, IMPs
( 1 ♣ )-1♥-( pass )-1♠
( 2 ♣ )-2♦-(double)-3♣
(double)-rdbl-(pass)-3♥
(pass)


Paint a hand for partner.

Agreements on his first bid are: 2♣ cuebid 10+ normally with support, 1/1 4+ cards forcing, 2/1 NF constructive, fit jumps at all levels except splinter 4♣. Your redouble showed ♣A without supporting honnor.

opponet's doubles are penalty.


my best guess something like

Axxxx
Qx
Kxxxx
x
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Posted 2013-January-23, 01:58

I expect he has ♥Hx and no club honour, but diamonds that are too weak to want to play 2♦xx. Something like AKQxx Ax xxx xxx.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2013-January-23, 04:05

I would expect something like

♠AQxxxx ♥Qx ♦x ♣Axxx

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Posted 2013-January-23, 04:12

Maybe something like:

♠AKJxx
♥Kx
♦A
♣xxxxx

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Posted 2013-January-23, 04:54

View Postrhm, on 2013-January-23, 04:05, said:

I would expect something like

♠AQxxxx ♥Qx ♦x ♣Axxx

Since we showed the ♣A, I am pretty confident this is not partner's hand...

Andy's hand looks the most likely to me so far - 5 very good spades, ♥Hx and little to nothing in the minors.
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Posted 2013-January-23, 05:26

View PostZelandakh, on 2013-January-23, 04:54, said:

Since we showed the ♣A, I am pretty confident this is not partner's hand...

Okay I thought openers RDBL showed first round control, not necessarily the ♣A.
In this case I presume he has ♠AKxxxx ♥Qx ♦A ♣xxxx

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Andy's hand looks the most likely to me so far - 5 very good spades, ♥Hx and little to nothing in the minors.

With that hand it would never occur to me to disturb 2♦ doubled. If in an aggressive mood I might redouble, but 3♣ could be cheap.
The hand is far too weak for a 3♣ bid after RHO doubles 2♦. He has short clubs and long diamonds.
Where are you going? Probably into a telephone-number world.
Do you really believe 4♥ will play well after a club lead?
You must be joking or need a basic class in hand evaluation.
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Posted 2013-January-23, 06:27

you are right rainer, redouble is first round control, I supose with void the bid would be the same and 3NT would be removed. But with ♣AJ9 3NT woul take preference over redouble.
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Posted 2013-January-23, 06:42

♠AQTxxx ♥KJ ♦Ax ♣xxx

I think it is going to end in tears.
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Posted 2013-January-24, 15:05

The consensous is against me :(

bid these 2:

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Posted 2013-January-24, 16:58

Was East looking for slam?

Although I don't agree with East's bidding, I can't see how it can have ended badly. Presumably he bid 4♥ on the next round?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2013-January-24, 17:15

no next round, +230, the 'good' news is that team mates collected -1400 in 5♣X so it didn't matter much.
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Posted 2013-January-24, 20:48

View PostFluffy, on 2013-January-24, 15:05, said:

The consensous is against me :(

bid these 2:



Fit-showing jumps in comp wins again.
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Posted 2013-January-25, 00:30



it seem like that,I think all of strange bids are forcing,however oppsite of opener's singleton of S, partner can't make 4S,so rebid 3H is doubletons with a top card.its goal is to let the partner choose best game style.
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Posted 2013-January-25, 02:57

East jumps in spades and West bids 4♥? Seems like an easy hand unless you want to reach 6.
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Posted 2013-January-25, 08:37

View Postjogs, on 2013-January-24, 20:48, said:

Fit-showing jumps in comp wins again.

I don't see how it matters whether you play fit jumps or not. After the 1♥ overcall East has an obvious drive to game, so regardless of the partnership's methods the auction should end in 4♥. East's actions may have been strange, but the moment that the auction really went wrong was when West passed a forcing bid.
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Posted 2013-January-25, 09:11

don't you like 6♥ on this cards?
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Posted 2013-January-25, 09:37

View PostFluffy, on 2013-January-25, 09:11, said:

don't you like 6♥ on this cards?

I think it is irrelevant as I do not think it will be bid without peeking. Sure I could carefully construct an auction if you like, but it would be nonsense.
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Posted 2013-January-25, 09:50

View PostFluffy, on 2013-January-25, 09:11, said:

don't you like 6♥ on this cards?

6♥ looks playable but not cold. If you want to be in it, I don't think either your auction or a fit-jump is going to get you there.
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Posted 2013-January-25, 11:12

View Postgnasher, on 2013-January-25, 08:37, said:

I don't see how it matters whether you play fit jumps or not. After the 1♥ overcall East has an obvious drive to game, so regardless of the partnership's methods the auction should end in 4♥. East's actions may have been strange, but the moment that the auction really went wrong was when West passed a forcing bid.


West wasn't able to picture East's hand on this bidding. West made a judgment call. After a fit jump, West would have known 4♥ should be bid.
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