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#21 User is offline   gnasher 

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Posted 2013-January-25, 18:20

View Postjogs, on 2013-January-25, 11:12, said:

West wasn't able to picture East's hand on this bidding. West made a judgment call. After a fit jump, West would have known 4 should be bid.

West should have known that something should be bid. Isn't 3 obviously forcing?
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Posted 2013-January-25, 18:41

View Postgnasher, on 2013-January-25, 18:20, said:

West should have known that something should be bid. Isn't 3 obviously forcing?


West obviously didn't trust his partner. Was right not to trust pard. Since East did bid this hand poorly.
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Posted 2013-January-26, 03:14

View Postgnasher, on 2013-January-25, 09:50, said:

6 looks playable but not cold. If you want to be in it, I don't think either your auction or a fit-jump is going to get you there.

Actually, maybe that's not true. After Fluffy's auction, if it continues ...-3-3NT-4 West might be rather puzzled initially, but 4 can't be anything except a cue-bid for hearts. With prime values and no obvious loser, perhaps West should accept.
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Posted 2013-January-26, 06:24

It's an error to make a fit jump with AJTxxx imo. Partner will backtrack holding a singleton, yet it's a pretty good holding.
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Posted 2013-January-26, 11:35

I don't even think east was doing too badly until he bid 3 instead of 4 on that turn. But I would probably just keep it simple and bid 4 a round earlier. In fact I'm sure I would support hearts at my first bid, perhaps planning on bidding spades next. So on reconsideration I don't think east supported hearts strongly enough at any turn although he could have survived. I agree with the idea it sounds like he has Hx.
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Posted 2013-February-07, 17:43

The reason noone thinks 3h shows heart support is that is was far too
easy to just bid 3d over the x of 2d (4d self splinter for spades). While I
am generally unhappy with the conclusions drawn about the nature of the
E hand, I can certainly understand W passing 3h in light of the fact that
a 3d bid was a huge standout with heart support and all else was searching
for something else and apparently open to interpretation in a way that
makes passing 3h a viable option (though why a pass is acceptable after
the 3c cue is beyond me)



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Posted 2013-February-10, 04:46

:P Not playing fit showing jumps (not a bad idea, though, imho), I would have started with a humble 2. After that, getting to at least 4 is automatic. Six , probably not, but making six is far from certain as well.
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Posted 2013-February-16, 15:51

I would guess 6=3=3=1. He doesn't show us the fit before he investigates the position. His cuebid shows a strong hand with fit and no tolerance for , otherwise he might pass the double.
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Posted 2013-February-16, 18:19

View PostZelandakh, on 2013-January-25, 02:57, said:

East jumps in spades and West bids 4? Seems like an easy hand unless you want to reach 6.

Actually no, depends how your overcalls and fit jumps work. Our overcalls are very sound and fit jumps don't promise the earth (raise to 3+), so our auction would go:

(1)-1-2(5 decent spades, 4 hearts, 7+ points)
2N(spades no better than small singleton)-3(A/K now at least mildly slam interested, no club control)
4(cue, better than minimum, exactly one club control, precisely small singleton spade, 3N would show the void)-4(keycard)
4N(0/3)-5(Q ?)
5(no)-6

The spade hand knows partner has x, AKxxx, K, A, difficult to see how this doesn't have good play.
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