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Deal #8 A K973 AKQJ2 KJ2

#61 User is offline   Zelandakh 

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Posted 2013-February-18, 05:42

I hope you do not take my posts as picking holes. It is my intention to try to understand the auctions in these threads, at least for those systems that interest me. I have also made some suggestions on occasion, which I hope are helpful for system designers who have incomplete systems. Here, I would make the suggestion that you might consider switching the meanings of 4 and 4NT, so that 4 is the key card ask (aka Kickback). That would allow you a trump queen ask below 5. If you would prefer not to receive feedback on your auctions then I am happy to stop responding.
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Posted 2013-February-18, 15:08

 Zelandakh, on 2013-February-18, 05:42, said:

I hope you do not take my posts as picking holes. It is my intention to try to understand the auctions in these threads, at least for those systems that interest me. I have also made some suggestions on occasion, which I hope are helpful for system designers who have incomplete systems. Here, I would make the suggestion that you might consider switching the meanings of 4 and 4NT, so that 4 is the key card ask (aka Kickback). That would allow you a trump queen ask below 5. If you would prefer not to receive feedback on your auctions then I am happy to stop responding.

Yeah, that would probably fix the problem.
(I don't really take them as picking holes, I was sort of cranky the day I said that :P )
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Posted 2013-February-21, 08:40

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A lot here depends on whether S decides to treat the hand as balanced or as two-suited reds. Also, I notice that our system notes are unclear on the start 1-1-(1).

If S decides to treat the hand as balanced:
2-2 Weak 2, OR weak both majors, OR GF both majors, OR 20-23 bal/pass-or-correct (weak)
2N-3 20-23 bal/modified 5-card puppet Stayman
3-3
3N end

If S decides to show both reds:
1-1-(1) 16+, excluding GF/0-7, denying weak takeout
2-3 Natural, denies a semi-solid 6-card suit/natural, good hand for the 1 response
3-4 Establishes a GF/3-or-5 CPs (A=2, K=1, Q=1)
4-6 8+ CPs, second-round control/To play (no chance of double-counting K/singleton)

This auction is a little murky, as it may be that 3 asks for a stopper, and it may be that 4 agrees diamonds - so this could go wrong. We might play 6, for example, which would not be disastrous on these hands but could cause problems on a bad split.
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Posted 2013-February-21, 08:50

On your second auction, East would overcall 1 under straube's conditions. Also, I cannot really follow where clubs got agreed, or even if South has shown any at all. Finally, could you give an indication as to whether you think you would treat the South hand as balanced or not in practise as the end results are obviously quite different depending on the route chosen.
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Posted 2013-February-22, 01:56

 Zelandakh, on 2013-February-21, 08:50, said:

On your second auction, East would overcall 1 under straube's conditions. Also, I cannot really follow where clubs got agreed, or even if South has shown any at all. Finally, could you give an indication as to whether you think you would treat the South hand as balanced or not in practise as the end results are obviously quite different depending on the route chosen.


The second auction did have the 1 overcall, but I'd misformatted it. It's because of the overcall that 3 is definitely a "let's choose the right game" call. It may agree clubs. I'd need to ask Matt what he thinks would happen here!

I think we would not intend to treat the S hand as balanced. There's about a 15% chance that we would do so, based on the singleton being an ace, the weakness of the suit, and the flattish distribution.
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Posted 2013-February-27, 08:38

 straube, on 2013-January-17, 14:13, said:

South is dealer. Vul vs vul. Imps. If RHO can overcall 1S, he will...unless North shows spades.

................T963
................A6
................T3
................QT974
J84...............................KQ752
Q842............................JT5
985..............................T64
A8................................A8
................A
................K973
................AKQJ2
................KJ2


Pass 2000

P - 1C; (both hands show 0-7 or 17+)
(1S)

Further bidding isn't discussed very much, so this is barely guessing:

Dbl - 2C; (take-out, 17+ -- 0-7 and natural)
2D - 2S; (extras and natural -- artificial GF)
3C - 3H; (some support -- cue bid (5-4 would probably bid 3H instead of 2S))
3S - 4H; (cue, slam interest -- first control)
4S - 6C; (first control -- if partner has slam interest even though I have no diamond control...)

I might be biased because I see both hands though. It is possible that we end up in 5C or 3NT.
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Posted 2013-February-28, 19:34

Upgraded Ultra Club Relay (C3)

1 - 1 (1)
X = extra hcp or 2 places to play - 2 = 5+ hcp and -
2 = 1 round force - 2NT -
3 = Beta - 3 = 1-2 controls -
3 = CAB - 4 = A -
6 All Pass
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Posted 2013-March-01, 02:56

 PrecisionL, on 2013-February-28, 19:34, said:

Upgraded Ultra Club Relay (C3)
X = extra hcp or 2 places to play - 2 = 5+ hcp and -

How many clubs does this show? and what is the response with 0-4 and clubs?
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Posted 2013-March-02, 13:20

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Upgraded Ultra Club Relay (C3)
X = extra hcp or 2 places to play - 2♣ = 5+ hcp and ♣ -

 Zelandakh, on 2013-March-01, 02:56, said:

How many clubs does this show? and what is the response with 0-4 and clubs?


We play Herbert Negative over take-out doubles, so responder would rebid 1NT with 0-4 hcp with any amount of clubs, and would show the clubs, if appropriate, on the next round. Thus 2 is semi-positive, but opener could pass with a minimum.
Ultra Relay: see Daniel's web page: https://bridgewithda...19/07/Ultra.pdf
C3: Copious Canape Club is still my favorite system. (Ultra upgraded, PM for notes)

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